Keep our dirty, bloody, dollar soaked fingers out of the business of these [Third World] nations

[Stone]

I didn't know you were running a 'cheese' factory!! But plz keep your 'good' stuff to yerself....we have other brands to enjoy!

I do realize you are not well and not accustomed to respect diff of opinion,,,not your fault,,,evolution doesn't seem to have changed stones over centuries!

I see where your country appears to be more concerned about Saudis killing rare birds in Pakistan than your own citizens killing and abusing your own women and children.
http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-prince-...outrage-following-massive-loan-162325502.html
Interesting priorities.
And after your gov't took $1.5 Billion from the Saudi Prince as a loan to prop up your economy.
Sounds like your gov't is thinking of stiffing the Saudis.

Comments?
How about some denials?

You're up, mazHur.......

 

[mazHur]

I see where your country appears to be more concerned about Saudis killing rare birds in Pakistan than your own citizens killing and abusing your own women and children.
http://news.yahoo.com/saudi-prince-...outrage-following-massive-loan-162325502.html
Interesting priorities.
And after your gov't took $1.5 Billion from the Saudi Prince as a loan to prop up your economy.
Sounds like your gov't is thinking of stiffing the Saudis.

Comments?
How about some denials?

You're up, mazHur.......

yes, the news is correct,,,no denials. Pakistan and Saudia are close friends...Pakistan military trains Saudi and other ME and African troops...moreover, Pakistan seems to be having some kind of 'defense agreement' with Saudia as well. After all Pakistan is a nuclear country...no??

In return for that Saudia doles out money as well as oil to Pakistan ...
pretty fair,...you scratch my back I yours.

As regards hunting is concerned that is being objected by the people but our govt seems indebted like yours too is....from stopping them from some 'privileges'.

I hope you will now appreciate my reply which against your wish is not 'denial'

 

[Stone]

......................

I hope you will now appreciate my reply which against your wish is not 'denial'

Well, almost crafty avoidance of the cultural abuse issue,
This is a link at the article I referred to:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1101272/arab-royal-hunts-down-2100-houbara-bustards-in-three-week-safari

If your government grants special limited licenses to kill endangered birds, why aren't special limited licenses issued to kill wives and children?

( obviously your culture thinks more of endangered birds than humans.......oh!, you thought you pulled a fast one , no, no, no )

Now you're up again for another ....er.....avoidance.

 

[mazHur]

 

[mazHur]

Well, almost crafty avoidance of the cultural abuse issue,
This is a link at the article I referred to:
http://www.dawn.com/news/1101272/arab-royal-hunts-down-2100-houbara-bustards-in-three-week-safari

If your government grants special limited licenses to kill endangered birds, why aren't special limited licenses issued to kill wives and children?

( obviously your culture thinks more of endangered birds than humans.......oh!, you thought you pulled a fast one , no, no, no )

Now you're up again for another ....er.....avoidance.

Demented, try to understand the diff between animals and humans.
You definitely talk like Marquis de Sade

 

[The Man]

Burqa is NOT a mask but you may call it a veil.....that's the right word for it.

Many women believe it is incumbent upon them to veil or wear a burqa or something like that ,,,something like Nuns wear (wonder if they are allowed or not to visit banks in their 'nunnerous' costume or are treated as untouchables in your society??) by dint of their religion. Banning burqa means you are interfering and suppressing religious liberties of women?
What do you say about Sikhs who wear turbans on duty??
Why don't you force them to wear helmets while riding motobikes??
You can't because they too are bound by their religion,....
Oppression of Religious beliefs is not tenable by the Constitution of America....
No,,,,,,you cannot object to whatever costume women wear ....as fashion or a religious binding.

YOUR laws are NOT universal laws to be followed by everyone...nope..
Better mend your Constitutions or let women have their freedom to dress or Undress.

Show me in the quran where it states a woman is to cover her face.

 

[Stone]

Demented, try to understand the diff between animals and humans.
You definitely talk like Marquis de Sade

As you say, your culture values the lives of animals more than humans.
That's what I've been pointing out, mazHur.

 

[mazHur]

Show me in the quran where it states a woman is to cover her face.

Did I ever say a Muslim woman is bound to cover her face??

However Quran emphasizes gender separation and commands women to cover their 'adornments' which may include face as well. It also commands men not to cast a second look at a stranger woman.

 

[mazHur]

As you say, your culture values the lives of animals more than humans.
That's what I've been pointing out, mazHur.

no, I didn't say that,,,you are a liar or a miscreant;

Humanity is the essence of Islam,,,,Peace.

 

[Stone]

no, I didn't say that,,,you are a liar or a miscreant;

Humanity is the essence of Islam,,,,Peace.

Then why do honor killing, wife beating and abusing, wife killing and all around child endangerment ( killing, beating, raping ) acts happen with executions of women carried out in public and recorded for posterity while Islam apologists like you write it off as illegal but culturally acceptable?

Why does your culture value the lives of endangered birds more than human beings ( women and children ) and why do you act as if it's no big deal and try diversion as a means to evade discussion?

 

[Stone]

Did I ever say a Muslim woman is bound to cover her face??

However Quran emphasizes gender separation and commands women to cover their 'adornments' which may include face as well. It also commands men not to cast a second look at a stranger woman.

Did I ever say a Muslim woman is bound to cover her face??

You just did.

 

[mazHur]

Then why do honor killing, wife beating and abusing, wife killing and all around child endangerment ( killing, beating, raping ) acts happen with executions of women carried out in public and recorded for posterity while Islam apologists like you write it off as illegal but culturally acceptable?

Why does your culture value the lives of endangered birds more than human beings ( women and children ) and why do you act as if it's no big deal and try diversion as a means to evade discussion?

Where did I say rape, child abuse, wife killing or beating is not condemnable>?
they are,,,for sure. I am only discussing the aspects of 'honor killing'....and in this regard I have asked you some question in my earlier post but you never bothered to reply.....read my posts and answer before thrusting your own biased whims and conclusion on me...

Birds are also endangered species and its bad that Saudi's be given a blanket to hunt them ruthlessly,,,this does not mean that our culture regards humans any lower than anything,.,,,,I think you need a brain change.

 

[mazHur]

You just did.

I said a Muslim woman is required to cover her adornments,,,and in some cases Muslims think 'visage' also forms a part of 'female adornments' ,,,,
that is what people think,,,in my personal view face covering is not required,,nobody in my house covers her face....
However, face covering by some Muslim women seems to be a fad....a fashion. Therefore it seems unjust if we make laws to prevent women from adopting certain fashion which the West cannot 'digest' as correct.

As for me, a Muslim, I can recognize a female in 100 veils. You only need to have good vision ,,,

 

[The Man]

that is what people think,,,in my personal view face covering is not required,,nobody in my house covers her face....
However, face covering by some Muslim women seems to be a fad....a fashion. Therefore it seems unjust if we make laws to prevent women from adopting certain fashion which the West cannot 'digest' as correct.

Doing a little back peddle I see.
So banning a mask or burqa during certain activities here in the states in not an interference of religious freedom as you claimed prior.

 

[mazHur]

Doing a little back peddle I see.
So banning a mask or burqa during certain activities here in the states in not an interference of religious freedom as you claimed prior.

I just repeated my view,,,,

Banning female costume of any nature is heinous....oppression and violation of women rights and freedom

 

[mazHur]

 

[The Man]

You stated below

Banning burqa means you are interfering and suppressing religious liberties of women

Show me in the quran where it instructs the woman to cover her face,

 

[The Man]

Better mend your Constitutions or let women have their freedom to dress or Undress.

How is making one remove a mask during certain activities a violation of the constitution

 

[mazHur]

You stated below

Show me in the quran where it instructs the woman to cover her face,

Don't you understand the meaning of 'adornments of a woman'?? It is clearly mentioned in the '
Quran for women to veil their 'adornments' from strangers...

Face, as I said, is also understood by some Muslims as a woman's bodily Adornment.

 

[mazHur]

How is making one remove a mask during certain activities a violation of the constitution

Only a woman can attend a woman ......and unmask her during certain activities. Stranger Men are NOT allowed to body check her....