Accountable
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So stealing a car from a rich person is okay, then?
Is piracy stealing?
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no...because the chances are that the rich person has worked hard to get where he is.......but the music industry is,to a degree a big con
Accountable
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Got it. So we can steal cars from anyone in the music industry, since they're con men/people?
20 bucks for a CD is stealing. Downloading music without paying is stealing. It's a back and forth. You got the industry charging way too much money for CDs (especially when, generally, artists don't receive that much in the way of CD royalties), and then you got people saying "enough of that, we're going to find ways to get it for free." That's why you're always going to have people arguing about whether or not it's wrong.
I download. Ideally I'd buy every CD I could moreso for the complete package but I'd have to be dumb to not know that we, the consumers, run the mainstream. If we all bought black metal albums (in North America, you already have places in Europe where black metal is huge and runs charts), then you'd be seeing black metal bands all over the place. We could use our money to dictate what is popular and whatnot, but that's hard considering a lot of people don't even know a genre like black metal exists. But yeah, in this way, paying for CDs would be great, along with giving a few cents to the artist but more to an industry that extorts their artists and treats them as product instead of artists. I get it, art can be commerce, but art is art first and foremost and you read about artists not even having the creative freedom to release the albums that THEY want to. Because it's not financially secure.
But then, on the other side of the coin, you have downloading helping a lot of underground artists. Without it, a lot of bands that wouldn't have made it before can make it now. People will still buy albums, but downloading has helped expose more bands to more people.
When you look at peoples playlists on their computers, what do you see more, full albums or just a few choice songs? What does this tell you?
It becomes pretty obvious at this point that we need to stop arguing about what's stealing and what isn't, and change a few things. Any decline of music sales probably has very little to do with downloading (though sure, it "helps"), and more to do with a shitty fucking system set up that values money over art.
I'd be willing to say that the music industry killed music, but that wouldn't be entirely accurate since we still have music. But it's definitely trying... and that to me is a bigger tragedy than a 13 year old kid downloading the new 50 Cent cd.
I've spent way too much time on this post and I think I left some thoughts unfinished but oh well, I'm sure someone will point that out.
I download. Ideally I'd buy every CD I could moreso for the complete package but I'd have to be dumb to not know that we, the consumers, run the mainstream. If we all bought black metal albums (in North America, you already have places in Europe where black metal is huge and runs charts), then you'd be seeing black metal bands all over the place. We could use our money to dictate what is popular and whatnot, but that's hard considering a lot of people don't even know a genre like black metal exists. But yeah, in this way, paying for CDs would be great, along with giving a few cents to the artist but more to an industry that extorts their artists and treats them as product instead of artists. I get it, art can be commerce, but art is art first and foremost and you read about artists not even having the creative freedom to release the albums that THEY want to. Because it's not financially secure.
But then, on the other side of the coin, you have downloading helping a lot of underground artists. Without it, a lot of bands that wouldn't have made it before can make it now. People will still buy albums, but downloading has helped expose more bands to more people.
When you look at peoples playlists on their computers, what do you see more, full albums or just a few choice songs? What does this tell you?
It becomes pretty obvious at this point that we need to stop arguing about what's stealing and what isn't, and change a few things. Any decline of music sales probably has very little to do with downloading (though sure, it "helps"), and more to do with a shitty fucking system set up that values money over art.
I'd be willing to say that the music industry killed music, but that wouldn't be entirely accurate since we still have music. But it's definitely trying... and that to me is a bigger tragedy than a 13 year old kid downloading the new 50 Cent cd.
I've spent way too much time on this post and I think I left some thoughts unfinished but oh well, I'm sure someone will point that out.
Peter Parka
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Personally I find the ridiculous prices charged for CDs a form of stealing too. And I'm not going to cry for the musicians who moan about it when they already have more money than they know what to do with anyway. I really couldn't care less for musicians like Pete Dochety and Amy Crackhouse when all the're going to do with their money is shove it up their nose or inject it anyway.
All Else Failed
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Its the music industry's fault that people are downloading music in the first place.
Accountable
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Damn right! How dare they put that music out there tempting fine upstanding music lovers! They're devils, I tell ya! They should be arrested for entrapment!
agreed!!
as john lennon said
"Music is everybody's possession. It's only publishers who think that people own it."
Alien Allen
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huh???
so the music industry is at fault for allowing internet access?
it is stealing. you can spin it any way you like but that is a fact.
pricing of music does not change that.
at least admit that.
So true.
John Johnson
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Of course it's stealing, but it's still the music industry's fault for having a ridiculous business model and for being extortionists and just generally bastards. It makes the theft of music somewhat justified because the consumers were getting fucked to begin with. But like a lot of things, too many people just go, "oh, that's the way it is," and get mad when there's a group of people "getting back" at it.
And I like that AEF gets the attention when I said it first, but it's coo. lol
Music isn't air, you don't need it to survive. Quit buying the fucking music and price will come down. And if it doesn't tough shit.....live without it. Christ you all sound like 15 year old girls justifying theft.
Oh I think we have all established the fact that downloading music is in fact illegal;a form of theft. That needs not be clarified. I dont think people bitching about music prices are trying to say as how this is okay, or "not stealing". People are bitching about this as to clarify the grounds on which they are downloading the music in the first place. If solutions in life were as simple as "just dont buy it" then we would all live much better. ("Just dont buy gas; Just dont buy food") It doesnt work like that.
They are attempting to rationalize their theft. And your analogy about not buying gasoline and food is faulty at best. We need gas to make a living and food to survive not so with music. If you never bought another CD of music the rest of your life I think you would be just fine. Try the radio, its free. And, btw, not buying is that simple and it does work.
No, but music is and always has been really important for entertainment AND culture in general.
You're just cranky because you can't understand that a lot of people live music, silly old man
I enjoy the Strauss/Mulder combination. Hey, where is Mulder, anyway? I haven't seen him around, or maybe I'm just not lookin' under rocks. (Kidding. Nothing but love)
No, but music is and always has been really important for entertainment AND culture in general.
You're just cranky because you can't understand that a lot of people live music, silly old man
I enjoy the Strauss/Mulder combination. Hey, where is Mulder, anyway? I haven't seen him around, or maybe I'm just not lookin' under rocks. (Kidding. Nothing but love)
And the music is free...its called a radio. If you want for a few bucks a month you can get XM radio and listen to just the type of music you want.
Strauss and Mulder isn't a combination, you must be confused. He and I disagree on several subjects. Frankly, he's to liberal for me. And as far as where he is I have no fricken clue, not my week to watch him.
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