Is it time to legalize pot and reduce the death rate of tobacco and alcohol?

[Greatest I am]

And yet the abuse of drugs on a large scale is a destabilizing factor in a society.
As bad as the morality of this nation already is.....it's a given it will be worse with no restrictions.
The problem with drug abuse isn't just that there is an existing violent criminal element, it's the further degradation of a society being driven for a growing desire of the pleasures the addiction initially brings.
The more acceptance is encouraged, the further the degradation.

Criminalization hasn't worked and legalization is the end game of a drug culture.

Decriminalization has worked well in Portugal.
This article is worth the read:
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1893946,00.html

What is more destabilizing?
Drugs or the prohibition of them?
I say the prohibition of them.

https://mises.org/media/3510/4-The-Drug-Pusher

https://mises.org/media/3511/5-The-Drug-Addict

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I smell a debate on how addictive Marijuana is .....

Personally, I don't know that much about the chemicals in Marijuana. I personally don't enjoy the drug as it just makes me feel .... blah. As such, I also don't hate the drug as I have friends who smoke it and they seem to do just fine as regular smokers. If a ballot was presented for the legalization of Marijuana along with proper regulations in place, I would vote yes. As long as there is a way to identify that someone is under the "active" influence of it ... as in DUI exams and such.

It would be interesting to see what changes in society there would be if it was available in 7/11 or liquor stores and the like. Or if there would be any changes.

The literature says that pot is one of the least addictive and harmful drugs out here.

Under a legal medical system, chances are it would be sold by pharmacies and drug stores. Not the 7/11.

Whatever drug anyone uses should be between them and their doctors. Not them and the police unless they are breaking some other law.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Sometimes you don't always die... Sometimes you just lose a lung :ninja

Is it your lung or the states lung to lose?

Is your body slaved to your mind or the mind of the state?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Do you really think a person that induces a mental reaction to suppress reality is capable of making a judgement about his/her own condition and applying it to the status of a society?
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Not to go off topic but if that is a criterion for competence, then you have just condemned all persons of religion who are led by faith and not facts.

In fact, they are proud that they have ignored logic and reason for faith.

Regards
DL

 

[darkcgi]

Just so all knows
all of that stuff will kill you about the same
when a large percentage of people can freely use a drug sure the have a higher percentage of death from it
I love it when people try to tell me that shit is healthy
dont get me wrong its nice but im not going to f-ing lie to myselft and live under a sheet of wool cause im stupid

 

[Darrell]

I like weed way more than alcohol.

I've never got into a brawl while high, can't say the same for alcohol.

I drink (some remember when I got drunk on Skype) but alcohol is so fucking bad for you, I try to avoid it, overall. :dunno

 

[darkcgi]

I like weed way more than alcohol.

I've never got into a brawl while high, can't say the same for alcohol.

I drink (some remember when I got drunk on Skype) but alcohol is so fucking bad for you, I try to avoid it, overall. :dunno

Yeah weed before beer your in the clear

Alcohol is much worse I always feel like serious dog poop after drinking and yet its most of our families past time
my mother has a case in her fridge just for her all the time and usually one in her hand and I grew up feeling like beer was just a regular thing and I still do except that it sucks to have hang overs so I'll leave it
Wine is betta

 

[darkcgi]

if weed was legal I would have some stashed somewhere all the time most probably
1 weed for every other weekend
I'm sure even if legal employers would still count against it so don't get your hopes up
maybe it would reduce the amount of people doing meth and that has got to be good
meth people remind me of zombies
I'm going to make a new add on for ModernWarfare cald ModerWarfareMethHeads

 

[Mercury]

Under a legal medical system, chances are it would be sold by pharmacies and drug stores. Not the 7/11.

Whatever drug anyone uses should be between them and their doctors. Not them and the police unless they are breaking some other law.

I agree. I must have misunderstood, I thought this was about legalizing it completely (making it available as alcohol) and not just about medical use ... or are you suggesting it be completely legalized and available only through pharmacies? Like over the counter without prescription or only with prescription?

 

[Mercury]

I like weed way more than alcohol.

I've never got into a brawl while high, can't say the same for alcohol.

I drink (some remember when I got drunk on Skype) but alcohol is so fucking bad for you, I try to avoid it, overall. :dunno

That is very true. Those who smoke (and don't do anything else) are relaxed, calm and non-violent ... unless they are the type who get paranoid but then they probably won't be smoking it LOL. Alcohol, on the other hand, is an extremely dangerous drug for the mind. As they teach, the first thing to be affected is judgement. I don't know how many times I have witnessed, or been guilty of it myself, of becoming sloshed and then violent.

Not only that, but to watch someone slowly die from alcoholism (and I do mean SLOWLY die) tears at your soul.

 

[Greatest I am]

Just so all knows
all of that stuff will kill you about the same
when a large percentage of people can freely use a drug sure the have a higher percentage of death from it
I love it when people try to tell me that shit is healthy
dont get me wrong its nice but im not going to f-ing lie to myselft and live under a sheet of wool cause im stupid

Even with the large amount of smoking of pot going on, the U S stats show 0 deaths in some years.

[h=2]Fact: Marijuana use has not been shown to increase risk of cancer.
[/h] Several longitudinal studies have established that even long-term use of marijuana (via smoking) in humans is not associated with elevated cancer risk, including tobacco-related cancers or with cancer of the following sites: colorectal, lung, melanoma, prostate, breast, cervix. A more recent (2009) population-based case-control study found that moderate marijuana smoking over a 20 year period was associated with reduced risk of head and neck cancer (See Liang et al). And a 5-year-long population-based case control study found even long-term heavy marijuana smoking was not associated with lung cancer or UAT (upper aerodigestive tract) cancers.[SUP][6][/SUP]
[SUP]http://www.drugpolicy.org...ug-facts/marijuana-facts[/SUP]
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The latest and most comprehensive research on marijuana has concluded that it does not contribute to the development of lung cancer. Source: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/05/25/AR200605...

There has never been a documented case of lung cancer in a marijuana-only smoker, and recent studies find that marijuana use is not associated with any type of cancer. The same cannot be said for alcohol, which has been found to contribute to a variety of long-term negative health effects, including cancers and cirrhosis of the liver.
http://www.saferchoice.org/content/view/24/53/​

Study Finds No Cancer-Marijuana Connection
The largest study of its kind has unexpectedly concluded that smoking marijuana, even regularly and heavily, does not lead to lung cancer.

The new findings "were against our expectations," said Donald Tashkin of the University of California at Los Angeles, a pulmonologist who has studied marijuana for 30 years.

"We hypothesized that there would be a positive association between marijuana use and lung cancer, and that the association would be more positive with heavier use," he said. "What we found instead was no association at all, and even a suggestion of some protective effect."
http://www.washingtonpost.../25/AR2006052501729.html

Regards
DL​

 

[Greatest I am]

I agree. I must have misunderstood, I thought this was about legalizing it completely (making it available as alcohol) and not just about medical use ... or are you suggesting it be completely legalized and available only through pharmacies? Like over the counter without prescription or only with prescription?

With prescription only.

With all the drug mixing we do now, legal and illegal, the pharmacist and or doctor are the only ones who can tell if one is acting against, negating of changing the mix in our bodies to what might hurt us. We should also insure that big brother is not pushing to underaged siblings or that kids are not stealing from parents the way they are today for their pit parties.

It is getting quite complicated and will get worse and safety for all means supervision.

Multi drug use is now the norm and not the exception.
Ask any doctor after a rave concert where people have no clue as to what mix put them in the hospital.

Regards
DL

 

[Zorak]

I've said it a number of times.

I'd be all for legalisation of all drugs. But for starters, it has to be marijuana. It's such a harmless, gentle and fun drug, I'd actively suggest people to at least try it; I don't think I could say that for anything else.

 

[fuel1316]

Marijuana Un-Fun Fact

Did you know that a substantial amount of antimarijuana campaign funding comes from alcohol companies? You see, alcohol companies are afraid that if you smoke pot you won’t want to drink. After all, how many times have you witnessed the following scenario?

Dude at Party: Hey, you want a beer?
Other Dude at Party: No thanks, I just got high.​

 

[Zorak]

Marijuana Un-Fun Fact

Did you know that a substantial amount of antimarijuana campaign funding comes from alcohol companies? You see, alcohol companies are afraid that if you smoke pot you won’t want to drink. After all, how many times have you witnessed the following scenario?

Dude at Party: Hey, you want a beer?
Other Dude at Party: No thanks, I just got high.​

I'm always up for a drink when I'm getting high

Sometimes it ends badly.














Like that time I watched The Road ​and completely flipped....

 

[fuel1316]

According to the New England Journal of Medicine, you would have to smoke fifteen hundred pounds of weed in fifteen minutes to OD. That’s a lot of weed, man. And technically it’s not the weed that kills you – it’s all that delicious cookie dough.​

 

[TenaciousDave]

They lie about marijuana. They tell you pot smoking makes you unmotivated. Lie! When you're high, you can do everything you normally do, just as well. You just realize that it's not worth the fucking effort. There is a difference.

 

[Alien Allen]

With prescription only.

With all the drug mixing we do now, legal and illegal, the pharmacist and or doctor are the only ones who can tell if one is acting against, negating of changing the mix in our bodies to what might hurt us. We should also insure that big brother is not pushing to underaged siblings or that kids are not stealing from parents the way they are today for their pit parties.

It is getting quite complicated and will get worse and safety for all means supervision.

Multi drug use is now the norm and not the exception.
Ask any doctor after a rave concert where people have no clue as to what mix put them in the hospital.

Regards
DL

no doctor worth their salt will risk their license to prescribe it

that concept makes no sense

 

[Stone]

One that is the least addictive and does the least amount of damage to the body.
Pot is a good candidate.

Regards
DL

The least addictive is abstinence.

 

[Stone]

The gov't shouldn't be telling competent adults what they can and can't put in their bodies. Information, not legislation.

Sure they can...and do.
Even yourself has presented the solution.
Either change society's decision, or leave and enter a society that accepts drug abuse as an acceptable form of recreation.
Your libertarian view is uncannily un-democratic