If God Is Perfect, Why Does He Allow Bad Things To Happen?

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Here is what i believe:

There are two wills that exist, Gods and Mans, they both cannot exist in the same place at the same time. The apitomy of practicing Gods will is the constant attempt to rid yourself of your own will and try to do the right thing.

Does that mean bad things won't happen? No....I don't ever remember reading anything to the contrary either.

 

[All Else Failed]

Apparently my earlier post got lost in the shuffle.

http://www.offtopicz.net/39284-if-god-perfect-why-does-he-2.html#post892872

lol what

so the massacre of millions of innocent people is god's way of being a tough parent huh

 

[Peter Parka]

I'm sure all the millions learnt their lesson, wait a minute, the cant, the're dead. lol

 

[Accountable]

lol what

so the massacre of millions of innocent people is god's way of being a tough parent huh

I'm sure all the millions learnt their lesson, wait a minute, the cant, the're dead. lol

I'm simply saying it's possible. We don't know everything and may not have the smallest fraction of the really big picture.

I'm not saying we should roll over and accept anything, or that any reaction of horror, anger, etc is wrong in any way.

I'm saying we don't know, and can't know until we are dead ourselves. Then we will know what that really means.

 

[Minor Axis]

As I said before, maybe genocide is not a bad thing. We don't know what comes after what we call life, if anything. We only have promises. Jesus made it clear, at least to me, that doing everything exactly the way God prefers it is beyond human capability. So what's the alternative?

Personally, I ain't sweatin' it. I believe I will be taken care of (if I'm wrong then God isn't worth following anyway, right?). I believe I have empathy for a reason so I act on mine. I believe that if I have value, others do too; so I have to treat others as valuable because none are less than I. I take the examples and lessons from the stories of Jesus and toss the rest, because the rest are written by men with the opinions and political spins of men.

Are you confused?

If you believe in the Christian God and follow his standards, genocide is a most horrible thing not condoned by God or the church. Now having said that even if we all end up in the afterlife as happy as can be and you view our Earthly experiences as a simulation or an opportunity to learn and better ones self, genocide is still a complete moral failure of one group of people against another.

 

[Peter Parka]

Are you confused?

If you believe in the Christian God and follow his standards, genocide is a most horrible thing not condoned by God or the church. Now having said that even if we all end up in the afterlife as happy as can be and you view our Earthly experiences as a simulation or an opportunity to learn and better ones self, genocide is still a complete moral failure of one group of people against another.

I dont see how you think the Bible and Church dosent condone genocide seeing the god of the Bible committed it and the Pope covered it over during the time of the Nazis.

 

[Native]

Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: Imagine you had an eight-year-old son… would you love him?
Lieutenant Chatrand: Of course.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: Would you let him skateboard?
Lieutenant Chatrand: Yeah, I guess. Sure I’d let him skateboard, but I’d tell him to be careful.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: So as this child’s father, you would give him some basic, good advice and then let him go off and make his own mistakes?
Lieutenant Chatrand: I wouldn’t run behind him and mollycoddle him if that’s what you mean.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: But what if he fell and skinned his knee?
Lieutenant Chatrand: He would learn to be more careful.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: So although you have the power to interfere and prevent your child’s pain, you would choose to show you love by letting him learn his own lessons?
Lieutenant Chatrand: Of course. Pain is part of growing up. It’s how we learn.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: Exactly


I always refer back to this line from Angels and Demons. Because this holds true in my opinion. If God interfered all of the time we would not be believing by faith, but by sight.

 

[Mase]

Apparently my earlier post got lost in the shuffle.

http://www.offtopicz.net/39284-if-god-perfect-why-does-he-2.html#post892872

I've always viewed God quite literally as our Father. As kids, we really can't see the whole picture. Think of a toddler trying to walk. the little tike gets up, takes a few steps (or one step ) then falls and bumps his butt. It's painful! He cries and holds his little hands up to you to pick him up and make it all better. His tears are heartbreaking, but you let him cry because you know the bigger picture. He soon tries again, and again. Far too soon, he's on the varsity track team thinking about college.

Maybe all this mayhem that is a major pain in our collective asses is really nothing serious at all, given the bigger picture. Maybe it's our job to learn from it, fix it, stand back up and carry on.

*facepalm*

 

[Peter Parka]

Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: Imagine you had an eight-year-old son… would you love him?
Lieutenant Chatrand: Of course.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: Would you let him skateboard?
Lieutenant Chatrand: Yeah, I guess. Sure I’d let him skateboard, but I’d tell him to be careful.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: So as this child’s father, you would give him some basic, good advice and then let him go off and make his own mistakes?
Lieutenant Chatrand: I wouldn’t run behind him and mollycoddle him if that’s what you mean.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: But what if he fell and skinned his knee?
Lieutenant Chatrand: He would learn to be more careful.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: So although you have the power to interfere and prevent your child’s pain, you would choose to show you love by letting him learn his own lessons?
Lieutenant Chatrand: Of course. Pain is part of growing up. It’s how we learn.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: Exactly


I always refer back to this line from Angels and Demons. Because this holds true in my opinion. If God interfered all of the time we would not be believing by faith, but by sight.

Letting a kid fall off a skakeboard is hardly the same as indiscrimanately killing loads of people is it. I mean, come on.Some guy tells you to get in a big box with him because god has said he will kill everyone in a flood. You'd have to be pretty gulliable to go along with it based on that evidence. Not something I can see that god is justified in throwing back in the face of the thousands that he killed.

 

[Accountable]

Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: Imagine you had an eight-year-old son… would you love him?
Lieutenant Chatrand: Of course.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: Would you let him skateboard?
Lieutenant Chatrand: Yeah, I guess. Sure I’d let him skateboard, but I’d tell him to be careful.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: So as this child’s father, you would give him some basic, good advice and then let him go off and make his own mistakes?
Lieutenant Chatrand: I wouldn’t run behind him and mollycoddle him if that’s what you mean.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: But what if he fell and skinned his knee?
Lieutenant Chatrand: He would learn to be more careful.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: So although you have the power to interfere and prevent your child’s pain, you would choose to show you love by letting him learn his own lessons?
Lieutenant Chatrand: Of course. Pain is part of growing up. It’s how we learn.
Camerlengo Carlo Ventresca: Exactly


I always refer back to this line from Angels and Demons. Because this holds true in my opinion. If God interfered all of the time we would not be believing by faith, but by sight.

Thank you. That's exactly my point. Depending on his age & maturity, that kid might consider his skinned knee to be to most horrible thing that could happen. But the dad, having a more complete perspective, knows that the matter may be quite painful but not as dire as the kid might think.

 

[Dana]

I have news for you George Burns IS God... Oh wait I was watching an I love the 80's rerun...

 

[Meirionnydd]

Thank you. That's exactly my point. Depending on his age & maturity, that kid might consider his skinned knee to be to most horrible thing that could happen. But the dad, having a more complete perspective, knows that the matter may be quite painful but not as dire as the kid might think.

Oh I see.

Makes total sense.

So something like the Armenian Genocide in Gods perspective is like a skinned knee for humanity. Not the complete destruction of an entire ethnic group, but rather...

A skinned knee.

Because like, genocide isn't dire or horrible.

I wish I was in Rwanda in 1994. Then I would have gone up to a Tutsi and told him, 'hey man, the murder of you, your family and your people MIGHT seem like the most dire and horrible thing in the world... But shit man, jus' fuck it.'

 

[Accountable]

Oh I see.

Makes total sense.

So something like the Armenian Genocide in Gods perspective is like a skinned knee for humanity. Not the complete destruction of an entire ethnic group, but rather...

A skinned knee.

Because like, genocide isn't dire or horrible.

I wish I was in Rwanda in 1994. Then I would have gone up to a Tutsi and told him, 'hey man, the murder of you, your family and your people MIGHT seem like the most dire and horrible thing in the world... But shit man, jus' fuck it.'

*facepalm*

 

[wednesday]

Why do you lot think that just because there "may be" a higher deity that he should be able to stop pain , suffering and war??
What makes you think that us humans are so much better that we deserve no pain, no death.......that we all just live happy lifes?.Without pain, hurt, and death...we wouldnt know what happiness was, the two have to go together to feel the other.
Now dont get me wrong...most of ya know that i think aliens are Gods, but that doesnt mean I think they hold a magic wand.
It has nothing to do with any God...its Life.

 

[Meirionnydd]

Why did you edit your post in such a way that it goes from this -

*facepalm*

Who's taking the pot shot now?

 

[Peter Parka]

Why do you lot think that just because there "may be" a higher deity that he should be able to stop pain , suffering and war??
What makes you think that us humans are so much better that we deserve no pain, no death.......that we all just live happy lifes?.Without pain, hurt, and death...we wouldnt know what happiness was, the two have to go together to feel the other.
Now dont get me wrong...most of ya know that i think aliens are Gods, but that doesnt mean I think they hold a magic wand.
It has nothing to do with any God...its Life.

I would find this argument more acceptable but it isn't a very common religious one, is it? Most religious people believe that god is perfect when what they believe is his creation, clearly isn't. That dosen't make sense or add up. An imperfect god, that has more reason behind it.

 

[wednesday]

Well even for a religious person they may still feel the same way.....what makes you think that God has any power over us?..
Some people say we are here to learn...God isnt responsible for what some of us learn....murderers, child abductors....what lessons have they been learning??....."how to be a dick"??
Ya know im not religius Peter, but when someone asks why does God allow these things to happen...my answer is this. He didnt, we did.

 

[Peter Parka]

If god did allow things to happen though when as a supposedly perfect being he could easily stop it, it makes him a bad person. Say you saw someone run over in a remote road and knew that if you didn't do anything, he would surely die but you just ignored him and drove on, wouldn't that make you a bad person? Same rules apply.

 

[wednesday]

How do the same rules apply??
Firstly you have to believe in a God to apply that rule...so i take it you do?.....secondly, This is Earth Peter, God tends to stay away from us lowly lifers....he doesnt wash his hands in the likes of us.
LoL...Im trying to say is that we are in control of our own lifes and everything around us.....shit happens because we are human, and we decided to create bombs and cars, and people where born with fucked up imaginations and decided to go on a killing spree cuz his mum put peanut butter in his sandwich instead of jam.....ya know?..You wanna blame someone?...blame us.

 

[wednesday]

anyway im done debating...now pucker up parka...