How should they Pretend?

[The Man]

From your own link if you look at the sub link they give it gives you a much better understanding of the total debt..

1941 US debt per GDP was at 122%.

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/us_national_debt





In your link I could not find how the definition of a household ( how many people and what ages ? ).. This can skew the numbers greatly.. ( so link please as I am working and can't keep searching )..

Many could have incomes that do not get reported such as those who work illegally, under the table and I'm not sure in the US but if your on disability in Canada or on Workman's Compensation its not taxable.

That being said these people still pay municipal taxes, state taxes and other taxes that everyday life brings upon us one way or another. If they rent a place and the landlord pays it and when they buy stuff they pay the goods taxes. I'm I correct, Yes or No ?

Your tax system and our while different probably share some in common
We have income tax
Payroll tax...The employer pays this for each workers and isnt far behind income tax.
Social security.
Medicaid tax.
State tax.
Local city taxes
Property taxes
Death taxes
Corp taxes
Various fees.
Added taxes on phone bills etc
Fuel tax.
The list is endless...and supplies the govt with large revenues....as any time there is movement they get a slice.
Govt spending is a little more than govt revenues...as some of it we borrow.

No matter how you want to slice it govt spending here comes to more that 50 grand a year per household.....when we take the spending total divided by the households.


If you want to do spending per person as you may not trust the per household
We have about 310 million people
So 6.1 trillion divided by 310 million people comes to
19677 dollars that the the govt {fed state and local} spends per citizen.

Just say 20 grand and climbing....pretty large.

 

[The Man]

Here you go francis...I was pretty close

 

[Francis]

Your tax system and our while different probably share some in common
We have income tax
Payroll tax...The employer pays this for each workers and isnt far behind income tax.
Social security.
Medicaid tax.
State tax.
Local city taxes
Property taxes
Death taxes
Corp taxes
Various fees.
Added taxes on phone bills etc
Fuel tax.
The list is endless...and supplies the govt with large revenues....as any time there is movement they get a slice.
Govt spending is a little more than govt revenues...as some of it we borrow.

No matter how you want to slice it govt spending here comes to more that 50 grand a year per household.....when we take the spending total divided by the households.


If you want to do spending per person as you may not trust the per household
We have about 310 million people
So 6.1 trillion divided by 310 million people comes to
19677 dollars that the the govt {fed state and local} spends per citizen.

Just say 20 grand and climbing....pretty large.

Is this the Payroll tax you keep talking about ?

Payroll taxes generally fall into two categories: deductions from an employee’s wages and taxes paid by the employer based on the employee's wages. The first kind are taxes that employers are required to withhold from employees' wages, also known as withholding tax, pay-as-you-earn tax (PAYE), or pay-as-you-go tax (PAYG) and often covering advance payment of income tax, social security contributions, and various insurances (e.g., unemployment and disability).

The second kind is a tax that is paid from the employer's own funds and that is directly related to employing a worker. These can consist of fixed charges or be proportionally linked to an employee's pay. The charges paid by the employer usually cover the employer's funding of the social security system, and other insurance programs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax

 

[Johnfromokc]

Damn you teatards are amazing in your denial of reality. Makes no difference what facts get put up, you will deny them and try and counter with conservobullshit that is meaningless and false.

Trickle down deregulation has failed. The proof is right in front of your faces but Hannity's spooge is all in your eyes and you refuse to see it.

Why the fuck do you conservobots think it is going to kill the wealthy to pay 4% more in taxes? Do you guys think that by kissing their asses you pissants will somehow benefit? I know TM is that fucking stupid, but are the rest of you as big a dumbfucks as him?

We have the lowest tax rates in all of our lifetimes yet the trickle down deregulation effect has failed to materialize in over 30 years. At some point you have to admit you have been duped - or not. You can continue ignoring the obvious and trotting down the teabilly moron trail like you seem to desire to do.

 

[The Man]

Is this the Payroll tax you keep talking about ?



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payroll_tax

Your link muddles them together
Let me break it down this way
Income tax ...paid by the person
payroll tax...paid by employer

Alot of revenues
As we can see below...As employers on the average pays almost the same in taxes for that worker....mind this does not include corp taxes ect.

 

[Tim]

No matter how you want to slice it govt spending here comes to more that 50 grand a year per household.....when we take the spending total divided by the households.

Actually this isn't true.

You are falsely assuming that all the money the government uses comes from individuals. When only 45% come from individuals.

The rest of the money comes from corporate taxes, payroll taxes, excise taxes, tariffs, fines, revenue, customs duties, etc.

 

[The Man]

Damn you teatards are amazing in your denial of reality. Makes no difference what facts get put up, you will deny them and try and counter with conservobullshit that is meaningless and false.

Trickle down deregulation has failed. The proof is right in front of your faces but Hannity's spooge is all in your eyes and you refuse to see it.

Why the fuck do you conservobots think it is going to kill the wealthy to pay 4% more in taxes? Do you guys think that by kissing their asses you pissants will somehow benefit? I know TM is that fucking stupid, but are the rest of you as big a dumbfucks as him?

We have the lowest tax rates in all of our lifetimes yet the trickle down deregulation effect has failed to materialize in over 30 years. At some point you have to admit you have been duped - or not. You can continue ignoring the obvious and trotting down the teabilly moron trail like you seem to desire to do.

We dont need any more taxes we need less spending...govt spending per citizen is 20 grand a year.
Sum or Fed state and local.
State and local govt jobs have been steadily on the rise...we can no longer afford to support all these govt workers....A big boom of state and local govt jobs were created under bush as he funded them

 

[The Man]

Actually this isn't true.

You are falsely assuming that all the money the government uses comes from individuals. When only 45% come from individuals.

The rest of the money comes from corporate taxes, payroll taxes, excise taxes, tariffs, fines, revenue, customs duties, etc.

I did not state where the money comes from I am pointing out what the spending is per household

 

[Johnfromokc]

 

[Johnfromokc]

Do you dumbass teabilles really think the Republicans represent you?

 

[Johnfromokc]

 

[The Man]

John..at one time you would argue your points...and made some decent posts.
Now you never offer anything to support your position ......you have gone downhill.

 

[The Man]

So john how much is enough....how much revenue do we need
Say 20k per citizen ?

 

[Johnfromokc]

John..at one time you would argue your points...and made some decent posts.
Now you never offer anything to support your position ......you have gone downhill.

You're too fucking stupid to see the irony of your post, Chickenshithawk.

 

[Tim]

I did not state where the money comes from I am pointing out what the spending is per household

Oh, in that case the government only spends $18,000 per cell phone in the us.
Or you can say...
$750 per mile of road or
$10,000 per bridge or
$2.50 per acre

shall I go on? I mean since the money doesn't come from them either.

 

[Tim]

So john how much is enough....how much revenue do we need
Say 20k per citizen ?

It's only $2.50 per acre for gods sake

 

[The Man]

You're too fucking stupid to see the irony of your post, Chickenshithawk.

So john..how much revenue should the govt need.
Just because you make 170k a year and have money to blow..doesnt mean everyone else does.
Increasing taxes on the rich wont help the poor.
Did you know that Bush lowered taxes much more on the poor than he did the rich John?
He also gave more back to many than what they paid in...many got thousands back and paid in very little.
I dont see you arguing to eliminate those cuts John.
So explain to us john..why we need to raise taxes?
Did you know John that bush was very generous with funding many state and local govt jobs...thats where the extra spending went john.
If you hate bush so bush then lets undo all he did...lets cut funding to states and local govts.
Raise the taxes back up on the rich and the poor.

See john its a spending problem...we spend 20k a year per citizen.

Chickenshithawk.

debunked ........................................like a puss you avoided the thread...I do hope you arent representing the rest of the marines with your character

 

[The Man]

Oh, in that case the government only spends $18,000 per cell phone in the us.
Or you can say...
$750 per mile of road or
$10,000 per bridge or
$2.50 per acre

shall I go on? I mean since the money doesn't come from them either.

What does that have to do with how much money is spent per citizen per year.
which is 20 grand a year.

 

[Johnfromokc]

debunked ........................................like a puss you avoided the thread...I do hope you arent representing the rest of the marines with your character

Seek mental help - seriously.

 

[Tim]

What does that have to do with how much money is spent per citizen per year.
which is 20 grand a year.

What you are doing is comparing how much money the government is spending per household. Since the money doesn't come solely from households it's a bullshit comparison.

Your comparison is as relevant to mine where I compare it to the number of miles of roads in the US.


The problem comes in to your comparison and how you want the reader to correlate that $50k number to what each household is responsible in paying... it's not even close to being true.