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Humm.. Back to what I was saying.. Countries debts are always calculated by GDP not households..
Countries debts are figured by how much they are in debt..in dollar amount...The GDP changes annually..
And does not change the fact of my statement of
As of current Total govt spending Fed state and local is $50378 per household...that is 50 grand per household.
My subject was spending per household.....and spending per citizen.
As of current Total govt spending Fed state and local is $50378 per household...that is 50 grand per household.
has someone stated that a countries debt is calculated by households
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A debt is a debt.. You owe 1 trillion it doesn't change..
But how the debt is calculated as far as how it affects the country is based in the GDP is what I was getting to.
Your ability to repay ( service ) that debt is what the GDP tells you. Your country can pay back a debt much faster if your economy is bigger because when it gets moving and has the proper tax structure in place it can not only service the interest but also lower the principal much faster.
Much like you would when you own a house and you start accelerating payment from monthly to bi-weekly to weekly while also increasing how much you pay back..
That works in reverse so if you remove all the taxes ( income ) to repay the debt ( especially past debt at high interest rate ) you create really huge problems by accelerating the increase in your budget rise.
The faster you repay the debt the faster you can lower taxes..
Took me a while but I was able to find govt spending per citizen in Canada,
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Provincial, territorial and local governments spent $12,517 for every man, woman and child in the country in 2009, but these averages vary widely among the provinces and territories. The costs of providing services in the North are higher; Nunavut spent $44,476 per capita. Among the provinces, per capita spending ranged from $11,372 in Ontario to $14,032 in Saskatchewan.
http://www41.statcan.gc.ca/2009/3055/cybac3055_000-eng.htm
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Ours is 20 grand per citizen
You guys have free heath care.
We do for some...but most pay for their own healthcare.
Canada is more efficient with its govt or is not supplying the needs of its people{which I doubt}
Alot of our money does go to senior meds though....Medical care here is real high as the health industry socks it to the insurance companies for those with private care
Summary ...Canada spends a little more than half per citizen than we do while having similar life styles.
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Provincial, territorial and local governments spent $12,517 for every man, woman and child in the country in 2009, but these averages vary widely among the provinces and territories. The costs of providing services in the North are higher; Nunavut spent $44,476 per capita. Among the provinces, per capita spending ranged from $11,372 in Ontario to $14,032 in Saskatchewan.
http://www41.statcan.gc.ca/2009/3055/cybac3055_000-eng.htm
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Ours is 20 grand per citizen
You guys have free heath care.
We do for some...but most pay for their own healthcare.
Canada is more efficient with its govt or is not supplying the needs of its people{which I doubt}
Alot of our money does go to senior meds though....Medical care here is real high as the health industry socks it to the insurance companies for those with private care
Summary ...Canada spends a little more than half per citizen than we do while having similar life styles.
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Two things..
Servicing the North is like servicing Alaska.. There are few people up there and what is up there brings in a hell of a lot of money to Canada as in mines.. Your comparing an Orange to a Banana..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_resources_of_the_Arctic
And if our health Care if Free why do I pay monthly Rates ? NOTHING is free...
http://www.health.gov.bc.ca/msp/infoben/premium.html
Ok so not free persay...but 66 bucks a person is pretty reasonable ..it is deducted from ones pay check right?
And if are you out of work can you still go get health care with the govt picking up the tab?
Here they also deduct from your wages for healthcare...but not everyone has govt healthcare...its mainly the elderly and poor single mothers.
Private insurance premiums can cost hundreds of dollars a month...I dont have any...Last time I paid premiums it was in excess of 425 bucks...and I also had co pay and deductibles to meet...with inflation and my age I would say to insure myself I would be looking at about 600 to 700 bucks per month and still have co pays and deductibles...and thats just for me.
Thus I pay cash for healthcare
I am not interested in what they bring in..I am interested in what the govt spends per citizen.
You keep going from apple to oranges.
But since you continue you this argument...I just as well comment on it.
The cost per citizen for the govt in Canada should be higher not lower...due to its "harder to service"
I expect more cost goes to per citizen farther north than it does to the southern areas of the country.
Our spending has been not only been going up on the fed level...which is actually the easiest to fix
Our problem is the expansion of state and local govt workers ...which much is federally funded.
While it is not the only problem..it is a problem well worth the mention as show below
With a tripling occurring
Medical care for seniors also adds a lot to our budget...healthcare in the states is very high.
Pills alone can cost hundreds per person
This may shed some light on what we spend on health care
From 2011
Compare it to this year, when U.S. health care spending is projected to top $2.7 trillion, about $8,650 per capita,{per person} or roughly $1 of $6 in the economy. Most of those dollars go to provide care for the sickest people.
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2011/07/us_health_care_spending_to_rea.html
As we see it brings real light to the phrase of "cant afford to get sick"
Pills alone can cost hundreds per person
This may shed some light on what we spend on health care
From 2011
Compare it to this year, when U.S. health care spending is projected to top $2.7 trillion, about $8,650 per capita,{per person} or roughly $1 of $6 in the economy. Most of those dollars go to provide care for the sickest people.
http://www.oregonlive.com/business/index.ssf/2011/07/us_health_care_spending_to_rea.html
As we see it brings real light to the phrase of "cant afford to get sick"
It depends on how you are set up.. I'm my own employer so in my case I have to pay out of my pocket and when I had to pay for my son and daughter it was for the Family rate irrelevant of how many are on the plan.. Working or not I had to pay.
Seniors and students get their bills at home. If they make less than so much they can ask for the government to be lenient and lower the bill but must produce a tax return from the previous year, or letter stating they lost their income if its in the middle of the year, to show hardship..
Only welfare people really get their bills "paid" for in this province.. That said other provinces have other methods of dealing with Health care collection just like each State does their own thing.. Health care in Canada is Federally mandated while being administrated by the Provinces.. So in Quebec they actually have no bill and it is paid by employers for all the people in that area.. It's one exception to the rule, I believe there is one more I can't remember.
Because our Health Care covers only the basic, most people have Private Insurance as well.. So we essence usually have employers that will cover that fee.. It covers such things as the Prescriptions that the Provinces ( States ) don't cover as well as all the basics most people take for granted.. Casts, Semi-Private Rooms and all the other stuff..
In my case I was buying private insurance at a premium of $2500.00 a year to cover the above when I was in my 30's. Today's rate would be well above $5,000.00. But the reality of today's insurance world is they will not cover existing drugs and existing health issues. Oh and dental is so basic its gone on your first visit after X-Rays and inspection so might as well have none..
http://www.pac.bluecross.ca/pdf-bin/370/0556.001_primaryblue_BROCHURE.pdf
Health Care is only the basic.. You get an operation, some medication to cover you for a few days and off you go.. You don't get to ride the gravy train.
Ok so if you are poor and dont have private insurance and the you get a leg crushed ...surgery is needed for pins etc ...then cast...couple follow up visits.
What happens...if you only have the "public health care"....Do you still get treated?...billed later?
Such an incident here would cost several thousand dollars as it involves a surgery ...you get billed then sued by the hospital for non payment.
What happens...if you only have the "public health care"....Do you still get treated?...billed later?
Such an incident here would cost several thousand dollars as it involves a surgery ...you get billed then sued by the hospital for non payment.
If the poor require services, they get them as far as the basic need is serviced..
If they need a cast they get the cheapest of cast that will do the job, not the Cadillac of products.. Follow up visits are standard, that's a given for all.. No bill..
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