Hitchens is right.

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I really don't get what is being discussed here, the offtopic chatter anyway, but what does it matter? Is the reason accusations are flying because no one has any answers and are looking to deflect from the topic? It looks like it.

What do you think the thread is about?

Is it about dictatorships that are/were ruled by leaders of an atheistic position, or about dictatorships through history?
The OP is attempting to prove all strife comes from atheism.
History proves otherwise.....some does, some has also come from religion being used inappropriately.
My position is the strife comes mainly from the arrogance of man.

The OP appears to be a troll that might have numerous accounts at this web site, a violation of it's rules.
 
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Actually this thread is about former atheist Peter Hitchens' position on atheism. So far no one has been able to successfully rebut any claims made. I have decided to expand my ignore list beyond someone who claimed Native Americans were killed because they weren't Christians. That is an outright lie. Now some don't want to discuss anything but would rather distract from the topic by calling people trolls. BTW, the term "screechy monkeys" is a term commonly used by anyone who is familiar with new atheists. Duh!
 

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Yes, screechy monkeys is pretty common term. Some people are just paranoid but then the voices in my head are the ones who told me. :)
 

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Actually this thread is about former atheist Peter Hitchens' position on atheism. So far no one has been able to successfully rebut any claims made. I have decided to expand my ignore list beyond someone who claimed Native Americans were killed because they weren't Christians. That is an outright lie. Now some don't want to discuss anything but would rather distract from the topic by calling people trolls. BTW, the term "screechy monkeys" is a term commonly used by anyone who is familiar with new atheists. Duh!


So far your claims in regards to Hitchens have been blown away by using history as the mechanism.
You argue an absolute that is proven incorrect.
 

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Oh, does it look like that? Or does it look like a majority of the forum is nothing but amused by a bunch of asinine topics being churned out at break neck speed.

Post something of value, something grounded in fact and reason, whatever it may be, and you'd see different results.


Indeed.

The best threads involve the challenges from opposing logic.
There is little logic to trolling topics that already flood the internet.
The potential for theological debate is always great, but starting out with absurdities ( and I include GIA ) kills participation.
 

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:24: He's right, "Screechy Monkey" is widely used in the fundie-sphere....

You need to read this, it's hilarious.... :24:

http://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_The_atheist_and_evolutionist_helpline

of course it's from Conservapedia; the trustworthy encyclopedia... :24:

Then of course, I retract my statement with sincere apologies! There's no way these morons are bug. They must all legitimately have stumbled on to the OTz religion subforum at the same time independently, share the exact same beliefs and similar post counts, write their toll threads in the same mouth breathing style, and just so happen to never post/be online at the same time.

If anything, these trolls are hard proof of miracles!
 

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Then of course, I retract my statement with sincere apologies! There's no way these morons are bug. They must all legitimately have stumbled on to the OTz religion subforum at the same time independently, share the exact same beliefs and similar post counts, write their toll threads in the same mouth breathing style, and just so happen to never post/be online at the same time.

If anything, these trolls are hard proof of miracles!

No, you were right in your original assessment... I just wanted to look up the term screechy monkey. Did you read that link? That has to be the funniest read I've had in a long time.


They are the same person... Just go back and look at all of their posts, there is always a few minutes between them. They never post at the same time or seconds apart like the rest of us do. It takes time to log out, clear your cache and log in under a new proxy/name.
 

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No, you were right in your original assessment... I just wanted to look up the term screechy monkey. Did you read that link? That has to be the funniest read I've had in a long time.


They are the same person... Just go back and look at all of their posts, there is always a few minutes between them. They never post at the same time or seconds apart like the rest of us do. It takes time to log out, clear your cache and log in under a new proxy/name.

Lol I did, it wasn't much of a leap from these threads, clearly these fucktards have it all figured out! :24:
 

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Actually this thread is about former atheist Peter Hitchens' position on atheism. So far no one has been able to successfully rebut any claims made. I have decided to expand my ignore list beyond someone who claimed Native Americans were killed because they weren't Christians. That is an outright lie. Now some don't want to discuss anything but would rather distract from the topic by calling people trolls. BTW, the term "screechy monkeys" is a term commonly used by anyone who is familiar with new atheists. Duh!

I really do have to laugh, your childish enough to have an "ignore list".

What I wrote was "I could be wrong, but the US government killed a bunch of innocent native indians. However, because they were "heathens" I have little doubt that most "christians" didn't care at the time." How do you come to the conclusion that I claims that Native Americans were killed because they weren't Christians? I don't know what is more pathetic, the fact that you thought I was stupid enough to believe that the native american indian were killed because they weren't Christian, or your own ignorance being so blinded by being a parrot.

You use some lame ass excuse to make your life easy so you don't have to give more examples other than what you regurgitate from one source.

I really do feel sorry for people like you. That said, I hate my personality to the extent that I have to respond to crap such as yours.

As dumb as I may think I am sometimes during my life, it's nice to know that there are people like you out there to make me feel a little better about myself.
 
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Wow, you guys are clueless. The best way to get rid of trolls is not to feed them, which is exactly what you are doing.
 

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Wow, you guys are clueless. The best way to get rid of trolls is not to feed them, which is exactly what you are doing.


Usually I'd say you're correct.....but in the case of religious ( and anti-religious ) bigots, they seem to want to use forums as billboards to broadcast their message and have an interest in marking territory. I've also seen this trait in extreme political positions.
Some seem more interested in billboarding than the disturbances they cause.
I think the author of this thread is one of those types.
From other members that have been here longer than myself, I've been given a picture of a person committed enough to use several personalities and I'm doubtful he's leaving.

Anyway, the simple pleasure of 'mopping the floor' with a loser like this one brightens my day....( yes, one of my character flaws :D )
 

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Anyway, the simple pleasure of 'mopping the floor' with a loser like this one brightens my day....( yes, one of my character flaws :D )
actually the mopping is quite entertaining to watch in a morbid sense, a bit like driving past the scene of an accident and staring at the carnage
 

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Exactly, starving this troll didn't serve much of a purpose but to make him turn creepy and start creating multiple user names. I'm going to at least enjoy the insanity by trolling back, why not?? :D

He wants attention, there may be a tragic reason for that, so I'll oblige.
 

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Exactly, starving this troll didn't serve much of a purpose but to make him turn creepy and start creating multiple user names. I'm going to at least enjoy the insanity by trolling back, why not?? :D

He wants attention, there may be a tragic reason for that, so I'll oblige.
off topic but, if I may say, your hair looks particularly nice today ;)
 

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Peter Hitchens that is. He is a former atheist and brother to atheist Christopher Hitchens. He spent alot of time in the former Soviet Union as a journalist. He makes some really good points in some of his writings and he is absolutely correct. One point he makes in particular is: "those who reject God's absolute authority, preferring their own, are far more ready to persecute than Christians have been ... Each revolutionary generation reliably repeats the savagery". He cites as examples the French revolutionary terror; the Bolshevik revolution; the Holodomor and the Soviet famine of 1932–33; the barbarity surrounding Joseph Stalin's five year plans, repeated in the Great Leap Forward in China; atrocities committed by the Khmer Rouge; and human rights abuses in Cuba under Fidel Castro."

He is absolutely correct here. History shows when atheist governments are in power there is nothing to stop them from committing atrocities. Forget wars they kill their own people!

Peter Hitchens also writes "the biggest fake miracle staged in human history was the claim that the Soviet Union was a new civilisation of equality, peace, love, truth, science and progress. Everyone knows that it was a prison, a slum, a return to primitive barbarism, a kingdom of lies where scientists and doctors feared offending the secret police, and that its elite were corrupt and lived in secret luxury".

Equality, peace, love, truth, science and progress, sound familiar?

Another quote by Hitchens is:"Left to himself, Man can in a matter of minutes justify the incineration of populated cities; the deportation, slaughter, disease and starvation of inconvenient people and the mass murder of the unborn. I have heard people who believe themselves to be good, defend all these things, and convince themselves as well as others. Quite often the same people will condemn similar actions committed by different countries, often with great vigour. For a moral code to be effective, it must be attributed to, and vested in, a non-human source. It must be beyond the power of humanity to change it to suit itself."

Correct again. When it comes to his brother Peter writes: " I am also baffled and frustrated by the strange insistence of my anti-theist brother that the cruelty of Communist anti-theist regimes does not reflect badly on his case and on his cause. It unquestionably does. Soviet Communism is organically linked to atheism, materialist rationalism and most of the other causes the new atheists support. It used the same language, treasured the same hopes and appealed to the same constituency as atheism does today. When its crimes were still unknown, or concealed, it attracted the support of the liberal intelligentsia who were then, and are even more now, opposed to religion."

All excellent points that show striking similarities between new atheism and past genocidal atheist regimes.

Instead of starting a new thread you should of added this to your last Atheists are bad thread.

He makes some really good points in some of his writings and he is absolutely correct. One point he makes in particular is: "those who reject God's absolute authority, preferring their own, are far more ready to persecute than Christians have been ...

Sure, just show me your proof that 1)there is a Christian God and 2) He has absolute authority. If you don't realize it, there are Atheists all around you and they are not out there plundering the landscape. Again, there is absolutely no evidence that we as humans need a God to tell us what our moral center is. Unless of course it's simpler for you to be just a good little follower. Morality is not handed to you. You as an individual have to decide what is moral and if you open your mind, you don't need a God to tell you that.

On a twist of this theme, if you want to go with the premise that God the creator instilled in us a moral center, then does it really matter if you believe in God or not? If the premise is the supreme being, I'm absolutely God would not want us to go with the flow, just because we were told to. We have to believe it ourselves. And if Atheists don't see God, what is the harm? You think God is worried about that? We as individuals must find our way. Just because you are sure there is God and the Atheist next to you does not see God, don't fret! Because if it exists at some point the individual will see the truth. All the nashing of teeth on this Earth about what we should believe is a bunch of wasted energy imo. It will all work itself out in the end.
 
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