Hitchens is right.

[mclovin1]

Atheist extremists are definitely the worst of the lot.

 

[Tim]

Atheist extremists are definitely the worst of the lot.

Hmmm, let's see

Atheists = eating babies
Christians = raping young boys

Yup, you are correct, Atheists are worse
Well played mclovin, well played

 

[clancy]

Atheist extremists are definitely the worst of the lot.

What do you expect they have no moral foundation. They tell lies and laugh at people getting murdered. For example they say Christians rape young boys. The bible doesn't teach that at all. So if it happens it proves how terrible humans can be and how much humans need a moral foundation. Atheists want to legalize sex with underage boys. The head of the North American Man/Boy Love Association is an atheist. Richard Dawkins claimed he would defend the man who molested him when he was young. So don't expect much in the way of honesty with atheists. BTW, you are right. Extreme atheists are the worst of the worst.

 

[Joe the meek]

Examples have already been given. More are on the way. Stay tuned.

I'm staying tuned, or am I just wasting my time?

 

[Tim]

I'm staying tuned, or am I just wasting my time?

I would guess the latter

 

[clancy]

Plenty of examples have been given already.

 

[skyblue]

Atheism has been used more successfully to control and oppress people, like in the former Soviet Union. As Peter Hitchens puts it:
"Why is there such a fury against religion now? Because religion is the one reliable force that stands in the way of the power of the strong over the weak. The one reliable force that forms the foundation of the concept of the rule of law. The one reliable force that restrains the hand of the man of power. In an age of powerworship, the Christian religion has become the principal obstacle to the desire of earthly utopians for absolute power."

So religion isn't as useful in controlling people as atheism. If a government wants total control it has to control people's beliefs. With atheism a government can define what is moral and what isn't.

fuck me sideways,what a stupid statement..just look at the islamic faith and its followers

 

[Joe the meek]

Plenty of examples have been given already.

I asked for examples pertaining to the following statement

"Atheist can't deny history outright but would rather change the subject by trying to blame religion for events in history that had nothing to do with religion."

Bullshit to your assessment on "plenty of examples given.

I've refrained from making troll comments because I understand people may not think alike and some could be taken aback by people that don't think like themselves, BUT, if you don't have the resources to substantiate your statements, I suggest going back to the bar and be the leading expert there while the drunks may or may not drink your kool aid.

 

[clancy]

Sorry Joe but you lost all credibility by insinuating the US government killed off Native Americans because they weren't Christian. I don't know many people who don't know the reason Native Americans were killed was for land. If you have such a warped view of history I doubt you would ever understand the history of atheist regimes. Peter Hitchens gets it. Who would know better than someone that spent alot of time in the former Soviet Union and is a former atheist himself. Read the Communist Manifesto it clearly sees religion as new atheists do. Listen to the rhetoric of these extremists like atheist Sam Harris who advocates a nuclear first strike against Islam that would kill millions of innocent people in a day. It's the same language used by genocidal atheist regimes of the past who's real message is to agree with them or eventually they will kill you.

I appreciate you not joining in with the troll crap that is used around here. It is nothing but bigotry.

 

[Joe the meek]

Sorry Joe but you lost all credibility by insinuating the US government killed off Native Americans because they weren't Christian. I don't know many people who don't know the reason Native Americans were killed was for land. If you have such a warped view of history I doubt you would ever understand the history of atheist regimes. Peter Hitchens gets it. Who would know better than someone that spent alot of time in the former Soviet Union and is a former atheist himself. Read the Communist Manifesto it clearly sees religion as new atheists do. Listen to the rhetoric of these extremists like atheist Sam Harris who advocates a nuclear first strike against Islam that would kill millions of innocent people in a day. It's the same language used by genocidal atheist regimes of the past who's real message is to agree with them or eventually they will kill you.

I appreciate you not joining in with the troll crap that is used around here. It is nothing but bigotry.

I didn't insinuate that the US government killed off Native American because they weren't Christian, I said most people didn't give a fuck EVEN though they WERE Christian (the U.S non american population).

Point being, good "christian" people don't give a rats ass as long as it doesn't hurt them.

I lost all credibility?

You and twiddle dee come here, go off making some "way out there" comments (which seems to run a theme on all your posts) and then give jack shit when asked about those statements.

Sorry, people here some times think I could be troll because I may not agree with everyone, but at least I have the passion about my comments to reply to questions if asked and not take the lazy motherfucker's way out and blame the other person for not answering their questions.

Oh, as for the Soviet Union? I was raised Russian Orthodox, my grandparents came from Russia/Soviet Union, and in the mid 70's both my mother and grandmother went back to the Soviet Union to visit family, and to this day, we still correspond with family over there.

I'm going with troll on your end.

I don't expect a reply, but you strike me as one of those people who NEVER leave their home state after 60 years, but you can find people like you who read a book and become the leading expert at the local bar on the corner.

 

[Joe the meek]

Sorry, long day at work...

What I said was

"I could be wrong, but the US government killed a bunch of innocent native indians. However, because they were "heathens" I have little doubt that most "christians" didn't care at the time."

Where did I say the government killed those indians because they were heathens? I said because those indians were heathens, most christians didn't care (that they were killed).

I only have BS degree, but give me more credit than to have you think I thought the indians were killed due to their lack of Christianity during the 1800's.

 

[Johnfromokc]

I only have BS degree

Degrees in BS-ing........No wonder the countries gone to hell.

 

[Stone]

Religion has it's dark past ... so does atheist Regimes .....

I don't think it was necessarily "Religion" that causes such violent turmoil ... nor do I think that Atheism causes such violent turmoil but rather the individuals involved in both that desire power who will attempt to sway followers to believe that what they are doing is right.

I just started reading this thread.
Well said.

Not a lot of critical thinking to these fundie arguments or the ones 'Snake eyes' the atheist has been posting.
Just hate threads trying to sway opinion on emotions rather than logic.




The line of logic being used in this thread seems an obvious attempt that leads to injecting a mandated religion into our own government.
This would be disastrous to our own personal freedoms.
There was quite a struggle in the founding of our nation as whether to support state sponsored religions.
Madison was able to prevail by showing that state sponsored religions were akin to dictatorships that discriminated against people of differing religions.
This brought about the freedom to believe with out government coercion. And that includes the right to not believe as well. And this can only occur when a government takes no official position on belief systems. A secular state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secular_government

 

[Mercury]

I just started reading this thread.
Well said.

Thanks

This would be disastrous to our own personal freedoms.
There was quite a struggle in the founding of our nation as whether to support state sponsored religions.
Madison was able to prevail by showing that state sponsored religions were akin to dictatorships that discriminated against people of differing religions.
This brought about the freedom to believe with out government coercion. And that includes the right to not believe as well. And this can only occur when a government takes no official position on belief systems. A secular state.

Agreed! That is why I think the separation of Church and State is so extremely important. To protect Church from State and to protect State from Church.

 

[Joe the meek]

Degrees in BS-ing........No wonder the countries gone to hell.

Bachelor of Science degree, from a pretty good university mind you

Student loan was around $186 for 10 years. Country was going to hell long AFTER I graduated.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Bachelor of Science degree, from a pretty good university mind you

Student loan was around $186 for 10 years. Country was going to hell long AFTER I graduated.

The fact they let you graduate is evidence the country was pretty much gone long before that.

















:jk :24:

 

[Big Al1]

Same old nonsense chatter by those who don't tolerate other's beliefs.

 

[Joe the meek]

Same old nonsense chatter by trolls that can't provide more information to substantiate their position other than being a drunken parrot regurgitating the same old information that they're fed from by one source

Fixed it for ya

 

[Stone]

Same old nonsense chatter by those who don't tolerate other's beliefs.

How ironic you would post something like that.

 

[Panacea]

The bug works in ironies, it's kind of it's modus operandi...accuse people of x, do x repeatedly. When called out, accuse people of y, then do y. Act indignant, make 5 new screen names.