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gotta blame it on the gun

otherwise heaven forbid one would have to be responsible for their actions

I notice nobody refuting the data and facts that gun violence has gone down in the last 20 years

Where were the whiners back 30 years ago demanding we disarm?

And make no mistake that is exactly what is desired by the anti gun crowd. They know how to work mission creep. They had good teachers with the anti cigarette activist crowd.

You start with the so called assault weapons. Which only a fraction of the gun deaths are caused by. If you doubt me then check and see what the last assault weapon ban accomplished. Don't hold your breath looking for the supportive data.

So then the assault weapon ban is not enough and of course the next step is the hand gun.

Then eventually they will go after shot guns because they can hold up to 5 shots and we can not have that.

By then the vegans will have taken over and no meat allowed so what the fuck. No need for any hunting rifles. And sport shooting would just be too damn barbaric and it would bring back thoughts to the wild west so there ya go it must be stopped also. Please be sure to turn off the light when you are the last one out the door. :D

Of course they wont refute it as they wont even respond to it..I ran into the same situation and they continue to try and work around the facts rather than work with the facts.

Odd how homicides are going up when they are actually going down...I was believing it myself for a while as that is the impression we are left with by the liberal media....Forbid they actually apply ethics to the job and present the truth.
 
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I tend to think that a surviving victim of one of these shootings should carry more weight then those that just want to express an opinion never being in those same shoes. Here is just one example that I also agree with.

Mr. President,
As a student who was shot and wounded during the Columbine massacre, I have a few thoughts on the current gun debate. In regards to your gun control initiatives:
Universal Background Checks
First, a universal background check will have many devastating effects. It will arguably have the opposite impact of what you propose. If adopted, criminals will know that they can not pass a background check legally, so they will resort to other avenues. With the conditions being set by this initiative, it will create a large black market for weapons and will support more criminal activity and funnel additional money into the hands of thugs, criminals, and people who will do harm to American citizens.

Second, universal background checks will create a huge bureaucracy that will cost an enormous amount of tax payers dollars and will straddle us with more debt. We cannot afford it now, let alone create another function of government that will have a huge monthly bill attached to it.

Third, is a universal background check system possible without universal gun registration? If so, please define it for us. Universal registration can easily be used for universal confiscation. I am not at all implying that you, sir, would try such a measure, but we do need to think about our actions through the lens of time.

It is not impossible to think that a tyrant, to the likes of Mao, Castro, Che, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini, and others, could possibly rise to power in America. It could be five, ten, twenty, or one hundred years from now — but future generations have the natural right to protect themselves from tyrannical government just as much as we currently do. It is safe to assume that this liberty that our forefathers secured has been a thorn in the side of would-be tyrants ever since the Second Amendment was adopted.

Ban on Military-Style Assault Weapons

The evidence is very clear pertaining to the inadequacies of the assault weapons ban. It had little to no effect when it was in place from 1994 until 2004. It was during this time that I personally witnessed two fellow students murder twelve of my classmates and one teacher. The assault weapons ban did not deter these two murderers, nor did the other thirty-something laws that they broke.

Gun ownership is at an all time high. And although tragedies like Columbine and Newtown are exploited by ideologues and special-interest lobbying groups, crime is at an all time low. The people have spoken. Gun store shelves have been emptied. Gun shows are breaking attendance records. Gun manufacturers are sold out and back ordered. Shortages on ammo and firearms are countrywide. The American people have spoken and are telling you that our Second Amendment shall not be infringed.

10-Round Limit for Magazines

Virginia Tech was the site of the deadliest school shooting in U.S. history. Seung-Hui Cho used two of the smallest caliber hand guns manufactured and a handful of ten round magazines. There are no substantial facts that prove that limited magazines would make any difference at all.

Second, this is just another law that endangers law-abiding citizens. I’ve heard you ask, “why does someone need 30 bullets to kill a deer?”
Let me ask you this: Why would you prefer criminals to have the ability to out-gun law-abiding citizens? Under this policy, criminals will still have their 30-round magazines, but the average American will not. Whose side are you on?
Lastly, when did they government get into the business of regulating “needs?” This is yet another example of government overreaching and straying from its intended purpose.

Selling to Criminals

Mr. President, these are your words: “And finally, Congress needs to help, rather than hinder, law enforcement as it does its job. We should get tougher on people who buy guns with the express purpose of turning around and selling them to criminals. And we should severely punish anybody who helps them do this.”
Why don’t we start with Eric Holder and thoroughly investigate the Fast and Furious program?

Furthermore, the vast majority of these mass murderers bought their weapons legally and jumped through all the hoops — because they were determined to murder. Adding more hoops and red tape will not stop these types of people. It doesn’t now — so what makes you think it will in the future? Criminals who cannot buy guns legally just resort to the black market.
Criminals and murderers will always find a way.

Critical Examination

Mr. President, in theory, your initiatives and proposals sound warm and fuzzy — but in reality they are far from what we need. Your initiatives seem to punish law-abiding American citizens and enable the murderers, thugs, and other lowlifes who wish to do harm to others.

Let me be clear: These ideas are the worst possible initiatives if you seriously care about saving lives and also upholding your oath of office. There is no dictate, law, or regulation that will stop bad things from happening — and you know that. Yet you continue to push the rhetoric. Why?
You said, “If we can save just one person it is worth it.” Well here are a few ideas that will save more that one individual:

First, forget all of your current initiatives and 23 purposed executive orders. They will do nothing more than impede law-abiding citizens and breach the intent of the Constitution. Each initiative steals freedom, grants more power to an already-overreaching government, and empowers and enables criminals to run amok.

Second, press Congress to repeal the “Gun Free Zone Act.” Don’t allow America’s teachers and students to be endangered one-day more. These parents and teachers have the natural right to defend themselves and not be looked at as criminals. There is no reason teachers must disarm themselves to perform their jobs. There is also no reason a parent or volunteer should be disarmed when they cross the school line.
This is your chance to correct history and restore liberty. This simple act of restoring freedom will deter would-be murderers and for those who try, they will be met with resistance.

Mr. President, do the right thing, restore freedom, and save lives. Show the American people that you stand with them and not with thugs and criminals.
Respectfully,
Severely Concerned Citizen, Evan M. Todd
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-rejecting-gun-control-whose-side-are-you-on/
 

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obviously that was mindless drivel from a delusional red neck

now the fun begins. as always for the anti gun crowd is will be to kill the messenger and ignore the message

If the media would spend even 1% of their efforts tracking the daily murders in cities like Chicago and Detroit maybe something would actually be accomplished. Meanwhile they sensationalize the cases like Newtown and Columbine to fill the news cycle.
 

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GOP Congressman Warns Background Checks Will Lead to Genocide Like in Rwanda.

Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-SC) took the fearmongering over gun reform to new levels in a Facebook post on Thursday that compared expanding background checks to the Rwandan genocide.

Gun advocates and Republican lawmakers have pushed the idea that requiring background checks at gun shows and online would inevitably create a national gun registry that the government can use to confiscate guns before enacting a dictatorship. While the NRA’s favored comparison has been to Nazi Germany, Duncan invoked a more recent atrocity:

The 2nd Amendment is (or should be) equal to the 1st Amendment and the 4th Amendment and all of the others. Ask yourselves why it is under attack? Ask yourselves about a National gun registry database and how that might be used and why it is so wanted by progressives.

Read about the Rwandan genocide, the Hutu and Tutsi tribes. Read that all Tutsi tribe members were required to register their address with the Hutu government and that this database was used to locate Tutsi for slaughter at the hands of the Hutu. Since the government had the names and addresses of nearly all Tutsis living in Rwanda (remember, each Rwandan had an identity card that labeled them Tutsi, Hutu, or Twa) the killers could go door to door, slaughtering the Tutsis.

There are districts where voters actually elect a person with this view? And do we really distrust our government to the extend that we all need to keep private arsenals? And most perplexing, how can anyone be against a background check for legally taking possession of such proven dangerous devices as guns?

I wonder if we'd be at this level of hysteria if we had a sitting Republican President?
 

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It's really irrelevant to you that none of these proposals would have prevented any of the recent attacks, had they already been in place.

It really does seem hard for many people to wrap their head around the concept of liberty - that rather than saying that the gov't should be able to do anything they want unless and until it proves to be harmful, the gov't should be restricted from doing anything until it is proven helpful.
 
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GOP Congressman Warns Background Checks Will Lead to Genocide Like in Rwanda.



There are districts where voters actually elect a person with this view?
And do we really distrust our government to the extend that we all need to keep private arsenals? And most perplexing, how can anyone be against a background check for legally taking possession of such proven dangerous devices as guns?

I wonder if we'd be at this level of hysteria if we had a sitting Republican President?


I would venture to guess these folks voted too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2diNojgJF9c&feature=player_embedded
 

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can't let the pesky facts that background checks would have done nothing to stop the loonies from carrying out their madness

but it sure sounds like something promising so what the hell lets just do it eh

never let the facts get in the way of emotions though
 

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can't let the pesky facts that background checks would have done nothing to stop the loonies from carrying out their madness

but it sure sounds like something promising so what the hell lets just do it eh

never let the facts get in the way of emotions though

What do you really believe- no regulations when it comes to guns? If you believe in any regulation, what would that be?

My take is that your filters won't let you acknowledge that background checks make sense for this major issue society is facing. This is the long game, reducing odds, not touting individual instances. Guns are a plague, but voices like yours believe that unregulated gun ownership trumps every other negative effect of a society swamped with guns.

Murders, Shooting, and Gun Sales- An Average Day in the U.S. I know you've all ready dismissed it as some liberal claptrap. Stupid me for trying. Waiting for your sarcastic reply.

Breaking it down further, three people are killed by a gun per hour and almost seven people are shot every 60 minutes.
That's approaching 30000 people killed each year by guns, and 60k shot.
 

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What do you really believe- no regulations when it comes to guns? If you believe in any regulation, what would that be?

My take is that your filters won't let you acknowledge that background checks make sense for this major issue society is facing. This is the long game, reducing odds, not touting individual instances. Guns are a plague, but voices like yours believe that unregulated gun ownership trumps every other negative effect of a society swamped with guns.

Murders, Shooting, and Gun Sales- An Average Day in the U.S. I know you've all ready dismissed it as some liberal claptrap. Stupid me for trying. Waiting for your sarcastic reply.

That's approaching 30000 people killed each year by guns, and 60k shot.

I don't trust the govt. I have stated before I am not against gun checks as long as once the check is done they throw away the records. Can you live with that?

My point is that gun checks are not going to accomplish what you think they will. They would not have prevented Newtown which is the latest incident to raise the anti gun crowds voices. They would not have prevented Columbine. And countless other mass murders. It is an emotional response to an issue that dances around the issue and does not address it.

But that is the way govt works. Stir things up with pseudo solutions which will accomplish nothing but make one feel safer.

We have laws that are not enforced. How about using them instead of ignoring them?
 

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voices like yours believe that unregulated gun ownership trumps every other negative effect of a society swamped with guns.

that is the same kind of bullshit which the anti gun crowd always uses.

I never have said I favored unregulated gun ownership. Never have I said that.

As long as you anti gun folks keep up with that rhetoric you will never see a solution. You can dream all you like about eliminating all guns but that is impossible.

How about some real solutions instead of emotional knee jerk solutions

And nope I will not give you those solutions. You need to think outside of the box and come up with something yourself instead of something that comes from the likes of the anti guns jealots.

See how that works for ya. :D
 

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Homicide by gun has been going down not up.
And as AA says how would background checks made any difference in recent shootings.
 
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I wonder if the lefts feel that background checks would have prevented the boston terror attack.
People hit by ball bearings and various items.
The lefts want to ignore the desire to kill is the governing factor...not the method of killing.
 

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I wonder if the lefts feel that background checks would have prevented the boston terror attack.
People hit by ball bearings and various items.
The lefts want to ignore the desire to kill is the governing factor...not the method of killing.

Are you insane... How can you seriously try to associate a terrorist attack to gun control ?
 
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