God does things just for me

[BornReady]

I'm trying to find my own way...and I POST what I feel on all topics...when I am feeling whatever I am feeling.

:thumbup As you should. Listen to what others have to say but don't let anyone tell you what to think.

 

[Tangerine]

Ok, let me try to simplify this for you.....
I WANT to believe in GOD. I have a HARD time believing in GOD because I NEED PROOF. When things happen to me that I feel are POSSIBLY proof to me that someone is helping me thru tough times...I chose to think that that entity is GOD....to elevate my belief. LIKE I SAID...I WANT TO BELIEVE....I will keep searching for ways to believe vs. searching for ways NOT to believe.

AND I have also said that I EVEN believe that some of the bad fortune that falls upon me could be punishment from GOD.

The funniest thing to me about this whole post...is I am an agnostic and in my AA meetings I always roll my eyes when people start to go off on the GOD thing....I am confused about it....I'm not asking anyone to educate me....I'm trying to find my own way...and I POST what I feel on all topics...when I am feeling whatever I am feeling. :gives:

At least you are are as inconsistant, illogical and contradictory as every devout Christian I know.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Um, not meaning to sound rude, but why would you wanna believe in god. I mean, it's not the end of the world if you don't. I made the transition, and I feel better off, and not gullible.

 

[BornReady]

I'm an atheist but I can see the appeal in believing. I mean, who wouldn't want to live forever in a paradise after this life.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Haha, you have a point. But my belief is that when we die we just return to the soil and make good nutrients for things to grow off. So I wouldn't be conscious or alive to remember anything about my life.
So life continues...

 

[sexysadie]

Haha, you have a point. But my belief is that when we die we just return to the soil and make good nutrients for things to grow off. So I wouldn't be conscious or alive to remember anything about my life.
So life continues...

So you DO have beliefs....its just that yours are a little different than , lets say, Missy's or mine....why does that make us gullible?

 

[sexysadie]

Not trying to fight or anything, just truly curious... would you be proud of me for standing up for my beliefs? I mean, I'm not into religion so yeah.. just wondering.

Of course, just don't put anybody else down for doing the same.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

It's gullible to believe religion, because they play on your fears, it makes you think irrationally, religion came out of a game and nothing more.

I do have beliefs, but atheism is not a belief. I don't believe in god, so it's not a belief. But it's a belief when I think that when I die I return to soil. There's evidence against god, but we don't know about what's after death.

 

[sexysadie]

No, she wasn't drunk. Her car slid off the road because of all the ice. It was a very nasty storm. The roads were very slick. I slid off the road too coming home from work. Fortunately I wasn't on the freeway and was able to get my car back on the road. So no harm done. Unfortunately this woman lost her life through no fault of her own. It wasn't any ones fault. Sometimes shit happens.

Edit: It just occurred to me why you don't see a connection between the storm and the accident. Perhaps in Canada the roads are snowed over all winter long. So you put chains on your tires or use snow tires and storms make little difference. In my area the roads are clear except during storms. So when an ice storm comes through it's very dangerous.

Dont you think that I've asked Him 'why' many times? I've lived and I've lost and unfortunately, I'm no stranger to 'shit'. It happens, yes, and sometimes, it just feels good to have somebody to blame, but it's not His fault.......I know that mine are mere words typed here on this thread, in this forum, on the internet and will soon be forgotten by all who may have taken the time to read them....I have no hidden agenda here, I'm a normal human being who works hard all week in order to keep a roof over my head and a few minor pleasures that life has to offer....I'm nobody special but I'm in no way gullible or stupid, heck, I'd even go so far as to say that I'm a pretty intelligent individual.......where God is concerned ......all I can tell you is that my faith in Him didn't come easily, and it won't diminish easily either.

I do have studded snow tires on my car,because I don't take chances with my life or the lives of my family. Accidents happen.......sometimes they just happen.

 

[sexysadie]

It's gullible to believe religion, because they play on your fears, it makes you think irrationally, religion came out of a game and nothing more.

I do have beliefs, but atheism is not a belief. I don't believe in god, so it's not a belief. But it's a belief when I think that when I die I return to soil. There's evidence against god, but we don't know about what's after death.

My belief is with God, not necessarily religion. ....and I'm not a gullible person, How would you feel if I kept repeating that anybody who doesn't believe in God was stupid? Does it make upset you.....well that's exactly what it does to me when you keep calling me gullible over and over again, it's not an argument it's an insult.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Atheism is rising for a reason, especially here.
I don't care if people want to call me stupid for not believing in god, I would just call them hypocrites.

And I had no intentions of insulting anyone, I was debating just fine. It's just an opinion I hold that I think it's gullible to believe in something that isn't true, kind of like falling for a blonde joke or still believing in Santa Claus. And if anyone was in my position they'd know why. Nobody is perfect, and people won't admit to their flaws, but people are quite gullible.
I can't be everyone's cup of tea but my bad if my opinion insults anyone.

 

[BornReady]

I've lived and I've lost and unfortunately, I'm no stranger to 'shit'. It happens, yes, and sometimes, it just feels good to have somebody to blame, but it's not His fault..

I never blame God for anything. That's a strictly Christian thing to do.

I do have studded snow tires on my car,because I don't take chances with my life or the lives of my family. Accidents happen.......sometimes they just happen.

Where I live we rarely have snow and ice on the roads. So snow tires wouldn't be practical. I don't know if they even sell them down here. Just curious, do you use them year round or just during the winter in Canada?

My belief is with God, not necessarily religion. ....and I'm not a gullible person, How would you feel if I kept repeating that anybody who doesn't believe in God was stupid? Does it make upset you.....well that's exactly what it does to me when you keep calling me gullible over and over again, it's not an argument it's an insult.

You're not gullible. But some people are and immoral people use religion to prey on them. Like when an old lady on social security barely scraping by sends money to some TV evangelist wearing a Rolex. I don't have to tell you that some aspects of religion are messed up because I know you agree with me. You and I are really not that different. Perhaps I am just a little quicker to say I smell a rat. And your belief in God is fine not that you need my approval.

One more thing, if someone told me anybody who doesn't believe in God is stupid then I would think he is not too bright. But I wouldn't call him stupid in return. I never call anyone stupid for a simple reason. Either he's not stupid and I'm just saying that hoping to discredit him which is wrong. Or he really is stupid in which case it wouldn't be nice to tease him about it. Instead, I would probably say something like, "Why is it stupid to not believe in something that hasn't been proven?" But you are much too smart to fall into the fallacy of thinking all unbelievers are stupid.

 

[brieze]

Of course, just don't put anybody else down for doing the same.

Okay. I didn't..

 

[All Else Failed]

Ok, let me try to simplify this for you.....
I WANT to believe in GOD. I have a HARD time believing in GOD because I NEED PROOF. When things happen to me that I feel are POSSIBLY proof to me that someone is helping me thru tough times...I chose to think that that entity is GOD....to elevate my belief. LIKE I SAID...I WANT TO BELIEVE....I will keep searching for ways to believe vs. searching for ways NOT to believe.

AND I have also said that I EVEN believe that some of the bad fortune that falls upon me could be punishment from GOD.

The funniest thing to me about this whole post...is I am an agnostic and in my AA meetings I always roll my eyes when people start to go off on the GOD thing....I am confused about it....I'm not asking anyone to educate me....I'm trying to find my own way...and I POST what I feel on all topics...when I am feeling whatever I am feeling. :gives:

You don't need to simplify anything for me, I assure you.


No, see, you DO believe in god since you think he does personal favors for you. Someone who has a "hard time" believing in god or simply saying it is a "possibility" for god's existence wouldn't be so clear and confident that god was doing miracles for them and them only.

You're selecting natural occurrences that happen ever year at this time as evidence is faulty and ingenuous. I question you having a "scientific mind" as you said earlier if you seriously think that could be any sort of hard evidence. See, the problem with using this kind of thing as "evidence" for god is bad because you could literally take anyhting that seems good or convenient to you as ascribe god's hand in it.


I'm not sure why you keep stating that you're going to "post whatever you want and feel" since no one is stopping you. There's no reason to keep saying it.

Dont you think that I've asked Him 'why' many times? I've lived and I've lost and unfortunately, I'm no stranger to 'shit'. It happens, yes, and sometimes, it just feels good to have somebody to blame, but it's not His fault.......I know that mine are mere words typed here on this thread, in this forum, on the internet and will soon be forgotten by all who may have taken the time to read them....I have no hidden agenda here, I'm a normal human being who works hard all week in order to keep a roof over my head and a few minor pleasures that life has to offer....I'm nobody special but I'm in no way gullible or stupid, heck, I'd even go so far as to say that I'm a pretty intelligent individual.......where God is concerned ......all I can tell you is that my faith in Him didn't come easily, and it won't diminish easily either.

I do have studded snow tires on my car,because I don't take chances with my life or the lives of my family. Accidents happen.......sometimes they just happen.

In this case, directly because of god. If we are to believe he sent the storm, anyways.

 

[Minor Axis]

Ok, let me try to simplify this for you.....
I WANT to believe in GOD. I have a HARD time believing in GOD because I NEED PROOF. When things happen to me that I feel are POSSIBLY proof to me that someone is helping me thru tough times...I chose to think that that entity is GOD....to elevate my belief. LIKE I SAID...I WANT TO BELIEVE....I will keep searching for ways to believe vs. searching for ways NOT to believe.

AND I have also said that I EVEN believe that some of the bad fortune that falls upon me could be punishment from GOD.

The funniest thing to me about this whole post...is I am an agnostic and in my AA meetings I always roll my eyes when people start to go off on the GOD thing....I am confused about it....I'm not asking anyone to educate me....I'm trying to find my own way...and I POST what I feel on all topics...when I am feeling whatever I am feeling. :gives:

Keep searching. Assuming really gets us no closer to the truth no matter how appealing it feels.

 

[sexysadie]

I never blame God for anything. That's a strictly Christian thing to do.

Where I live we rarely have snow and ice on the roads. So snow tires wouldn't be practical. I don't know if they even sell them down here. Just curious, do you use them year round or just during the winter in Canada?

This year, I got my snow tires on just in time, I put it off, like most people do when there isn't any snow. Sometimes, I tend to be too careful, but one day I just did it...and the day after that we received our first snowfall. I was lucky.


You're not gullible. But some people are and immoral people use religion to prey on them. Like when an old lady on social security barely scraping by sends money to some TV evangelist wearing a Rolex. I don't have to tell you that some aspects of religion are messed up because I know you agree with me. You and I are really not that different. Perhaps I am just a little quicker to say I smell a rat. And your belief in God is fine not that you need my approval.

The only 'evangelists' I've ever known to go door to door are mormons, unless you're referring to the ones on television who make the big bucks..lol... I usually try to avoid them at all cost. I disagree actually....imo there are more than 'some' aspects of religion that are messed up.....as a matter of fact, there's only one that I know of that cant be catagorized as being so and that's how I feel about God in my heart....and that's all that should matter to anybody.


One more thing, if someone told me anybody who doesn't believe in God is stupid then I would think he is not too bright. But I wouldn't call him stupid in return. I never call anyone stupid for a simple reason. Either he's not stupid and I'm just saying that hoping to discredit him which is wrong. Or he really is stupid in which case it wouldn't be nice to tease him about it. Instead, I would probably say something like, "Why is it stupid to not believe in something that hasn't been proven?" But you are much too smart to fall into the fallacy of thinking all unbelievers are stupid.

I didn't say that, I was just using it as an example.....imo the word 'gullible' is not all that different from the word stupid and when you call me that you're insulting my intelligence.
I don't usually bring up thesubject of God unless it's presented it to me first. God asks me to trust Him, and I do. He asks me to believe in His word....and I do. He asks me to tell others what I believe....and I do that too...but what I won't do is tell somebody who doesn't believe He exists, that it's possible that they're right because THAT, my friend, would make me a hypocrite.

 

[BornReady]

but what I won't do is tell somebody who doesn't believe He exists, that it's possible that they're right because THAT, my friend, would make me a hypocrite.

Not necessarily. I know Christians who believe God exists but don't claim to know he does. And I don't believe God exists but don't claim to know this for sure. Imo, this makes me open minded not a hypocrite.

When you think about it, there is really very little we can know with certainty. Descartes summed it up pretty well with... I think therefore I am.

 

[Dana]

God may not be everyones forte but why can't someone say something about God without a thread turning into a 10 page debate?

 

[edgray]

Not necessarily. I know Christians who believe God exists but don't claim to know he does. And I don't believe God exists but don't claim to know this for sure. Imo, this makes me open minded not a hypocrite.

When you think about it, there is really very little we can know with certainty. Descartes summed it up pretty well with... I think therefore I am.

Yes that's pretty much the most open-minded approach. I feel the same. I don't know there's a God, and I don't know there isn't one. I know that the odds against it are pretty high, and I also know that our current scientific understanding keeps the possibility quite a distance from us, at the very least, not in our universe.

Furthmore, I know with complete uncertainty that no one knows for sure, irrelevant of what they believe or say.

 

[edgray]

God may not be everyones forte but why can't someone say something about God without a thread turning into a 10 page debate?

Dana many of us enjoy debating. We enjoy the intellectual stimulation of it, and it's interesting hearing other's viewpoints on subjects, perhaps even learn a thing of two. And, this being the debate section, it's the right place.

If you don't want to debate, don't come in.