God does things just for me

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Lol I feel bad that everyone came in with the whole 'god doesn't exist thing' but I gotta say I'm on their side. It's just rational thinking.

 

[Misssy2]

Because you're living in a delusion. God didn't do that for you. It is normal weather patterns that happen this time of the year. I'm not sure how you're not seeing that.


If god didn't save the Jews from the furnaces of Auschwitz I'm pretty sure he doesn't care about your workday. I don't want to sound harsh but I have to with this one.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion...Peace!:surrender

 

[sexysadie]

You misunderstood. I wasn't blaming God for the storm. Storms are just an unfortunate part of nature. Missy felt like God had sent the storm for her. I was just responding probably not. If God wanted to help Missy get a day off then he would have figured out a way to do it without sending a storm that killed people. I'm on your side here.



At least they're consistent.

I can appreciate what you're saying but you're still missing my point. You refuse to believe that the storm was sent when it was to Missy in answer to her prayer.....and then you say that why would he bring her a storm (which killed people).....that's just my point...IT didn't. GOD didn't.....


sooooooooooooooo it's possible that God answered Missy's prayers by sending this particular storm at that particular time. Unfortunately, somebodys car went off the road....which was obviously a horrible accident that shouldn't have happened....but that's what it was...an accident. If you gave somebody a car for christmas and that person drove drunk that very night..( and I'm in nowhere saying that the accident in question was because of drinking and driving...just using it as an example) ..would it be your fault for gifting them the car? I mean....why couldn't you have given them a bike or a blender or something? Or better yet....they asked for the car because they needed it for transportation, why didn't you just offer to take them everywhere they wanted to go? That way they'd be still alive.........

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Don't take this the wrong way, this is just how things are with me...

I don't understand how the 'ultimate love' is worshipping some entity in the sky whose presence hasn't even been proved. I can't bring myself to even pretend to love a god, and even when I used to believe in him and prayed, I felt like I was doing Jack Schitt. And I lost faith when enough bad things had happened in my life. I can run my own life better than any god can. The things that happened were not done for any reason, it's just life. Good things and bad things happen. In fact, things are easier to cope with if you just accept that it's life and no fake entity put it on you like an arsewipe. Bad things aren't done to you for you to learn for some higher purpose. Nothing is ever caused by divine intervention. Just because you can't find a cause, doesn't mean attribute it to a supernatural being. So someone throws a rock through my window, god didn't do that. God is just an excuse for explaining everything when you haven't learn science or philosophy yet, and it's a crap excuse too. And anyone who's enlightened knows this excuse is damn annoying too.

Nobody has learnt that religions came from a time when all those groups were just fighting to be the number one religion, playing on your fears of death.
Once I stopped believing in a god, I am never turning back. And you'll find most scientists don't believe in god either, for very valid reasons for which religious people never understand or have never bothered to learn because they feel so cosy thinking that there's someone up in the sky looking over them. Storms are caused by natural processes, and they happen 24/7 on Venus, do you think that on Venus it happens for a reason? No, I'm afraid it's just nature.

And, I have reason to believe that the non-existence of god is pretty much a fact when you look at all the scientific evidence built up against the whole notion of god. And you know what they say about testing a theory and stuff? Looking for falsifying evidence before looking for confirming evidence, and that seems to be the case. God has been falsified, and falsified so much it's ridiculous to even attribute god to be the cause and reason of any event.
As others have said, we may have been created by something higher, but he is not what religions make it out to be. Not believing in god is not an opinion, it's more closer to the truth than any holy book, because the evidence against god was objectively collected and is current and not based on faith.

Besides, I like to think that science is much more interesting and that life evolved out of all this amazing cell stuff. And before that, coming from space and stars and matter. I like knowing that I am made out of non-life, yet I am conscious and breathing. That the things that made me were 13.7 billion years old, but when I was born, I was newer than anything else (anyone recognise this lol?).

But! If by any means, you have objectively and impartially looked at your situation, looked at evidence for either side and deemed god to be appropriate then so be it. But I hope my post is food for thought because it's actually worth looking into and you'll find millions of videos out there that make more sense than any holy book requiring some weird interpretation.
And sorry if my tone of voice sounds mean, I'm not trying to be mean, just eye-opening...

 

[edgray]

I feel that God gave me that gift as well....because the person that was doing the job should have noticed the mistake... and didn't... ..... .Its GOD....:thumbup

No offense, but that was simply someone making a mistake. Humans make errors all the time, it's one of the things about being human that is unavoidable. If what you're saying WAS God, God just made someone make a mistake for your benefit... that doesn't sound particularly nice to me... in fact, it sounds positively devious...

 

[porterjack]

faith can , as they say, can move mountains

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Faith isn't rationally thinking. It's like assuming a guy likes you just because you like them lol.

 

[porterjack]

agreed but it makes people happy to think that way, they rely on their faith for answers that otherwise they cannot find

i only wish more people had faith in their own ability to overcome and not rely on faith that is less tangible

 

[All Else Failed]

I can appreciate what you're saying but you're still missing my point. You refuse to believe that the storm was sent when it was to Missy in answer to her prayer.....and then you say that why would he bring her a storm (which killed people).....that's just my point...IT didn't. GOD didn't.....


sooooooooooooooo it's possible that God answered Missy's prayers by sending this particular storm at that particular time. Unfortunately, somebodys car went off the road....which was obviously a horrible accident that shouldn't have happened....but that's what it was...an accident. If you gave somebody a car for christmas and that person drove drunk that very night..( and I'm in nowhere saying that the accident in question was because of drinking and driving...just using it as an example) ..would it be your fault for gifting them the car? I mean....why couldn't you have given them a bike or a blender or something? Or better yet....they asked for the car because they needed it for transportation, why didn't you just offer to take them everywhere they wanted to go? That way they'd be still alive.........

So he knowingly killed people so someone could get a day off?

It can't be an accident since god knew it would have happened before he even sent the storm.


Again, if god didn't save 6 million Jews from the jaws of the furnace he doesn't care about people getting a day off.

 

[brieze]

i only wish more people had faith in their own ability to overcome

Me too. In general. We have so much mental capacity and power.

 

[Misssy2]

No offense, but that was simply someone making a mistake. Humans make errors all the time, it's one of the things about being human that is unavoidable. If what you're saying WAS God, God just made someone make a mistake for your benefit... that doesn't sound particularly nice to me... in fact, it sounds positively devious...

Just for clarification I wasn't saying GOD made someone make a mistake...I was saying I was not at work because I was being protected from any more STRESS. That person is a good friend of mine and that person is also glad I WAS NOT THERE to make the mistake...we were talking about it today.

We were also talking about this CHAT room thing and how people got heated and go out of control when I was sharing my thoughts on what I believe is handed to me sometimes from a higher intervention.

When I say God does things just for me....I mean...I like to think of it that way...it makes me feel good and alot of coincidental things happen for me, right when I need them. It was something to do for me.....just a post.

 

[sexysadie]

So he knowingly killed people so someone could get a day off?

It can't be an accident since god knew it would have happened before he even sent the storm.


Again, if god didn't save 6 million Jews from the jaws of the furnace he doesn't care about people getting a day off.

Like I said...don't blame God.

 

[sexysadie]

Just for clarification I wasn't saying GOD made someone make a mistake...I was saying I was not at work because I was being protected from any more STRESS. That person is a good friend of mine and that person is also glad I WAS NOT THERE to make the mistake...we were talking about it today.

We were also talking about this CHAT room thing and how people got heated and go out of control when I was sharing my thoughts on what I believe is handed to me sometimes from a higher intervention.

When I say God does things just for me....I mean...I like to think of it that way...it makes me feel good and alot of coincidental things happen for me, right when I need them. It was something to do for me.....just a post.

You don't need to explain yourself Missy, you believe what you believe and the bottom line is....if there is somebody out there who disagrees...then that's their problem. I, for one, am proud of you for standing up for something you believe in, especially on this topic....around here, that takes a very brave individual.:clap

 

[Misssy2]

You don't need to explain yourself Missy, you believe what you believe and the bottom line is....if there is somebody out there who disagrees...then that's their problem. I, for one, am proud of you for standing up for something you believe in, especially on this topic....around here, that takes a very brave individual.:clap

Because I am a rational thinker and work in a scientific environment where we make medicine from cells....it is also hard for me to believe in God. However, I feel more comfortable believing in God than I do NOT believing in GOD. Like I said...I felt like sharing....I am impulsive...and I post what I'm thinking...I'm sure there will be other posts that I will get slack for...and that is ok...I don't know anyone...and my intent is never to offend anyone.

I'm a little concerned about pushing buttons (don't want to bring up bad feelings or memories for anyone)...the burning Jew thing...makes me feel sad for the person that keeps bringing that up....but, the person knows what this post was about and has a choice to stop reading/responding to it. What people do/say is out of my control.....but, thanks for tryiing to stick up for me Sadie...., its ok....I'm truly not offended by any of this....I don't usually worry about small stuff.

 

[brieze]

You don't need to explain yourself Missy, you believe what you believe and the bottom line is....if there is somebody out there who disagrees...then that's their problem. I, for one, am proud of you for standing up for something you believe in, especially on this topic....around here, that takes a very brave individual.:clap

Not trying to fight or anything, just truly curious... would you be proud of me for standing up for my beliefs? I mean, I'm not into religion so yeah.. just wondering.

 

[brieze]

Because I am a rational thinker and work in a scientific environment where we make medicine from cells...

Random, but molecular biology?

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

I think religion has taken belief in god too far. We don't need it as the basis of our morality. So I think if people want to believe in a god, that's fine, but he is not as involved in our world and lives as we think he is or as religions make god out to be.

 

[All Else Failed]

Like I said...don't blame God.

How can we not if he sent the storm knowing people would die? If this is the situation, he is directly responsible for their deaths.

Because I am a rational thinker and work in a scientific environment where we make medicine from cells....it is also hard for me to believe in God. However, I feel more comfortable believing in God than I do NOT believing in GOD. Like I said...I felt like sharing....I am impulsive...and I post what I'm thinking...I'm sure there will be other posts that I will get slack for...and that is ok...I don't know anyone...and my intent is never to offend anyone.

I'm a little concerned about pushing buttons (don't want to bring up bad feelings or memories for anyone)...the burning Jew thing...makes me feel sad for the person that keeps bringing that up....but, the person knows what this post was about and has a choice to stop reading/responding to it. What people do/say is out of my control.....but, thanks for tryiing to stick up for me Sadie...., its ok....I'm truly not offended by any of this....I don't usually worry about small stuff.

You constantly contradict yourself.


Actually believing god does things for you on a personal level goes way beyond "I have a hard time believing in god" to I REALLY believe in god and he does me personal favors.


Hey, don't feel sad for me bringing up a serious theological problem that Jews and Christians alike have to cope with. Where was god during the holocaust when his "chosen people" were being toasted?

 

[BornReady]

Unfortunately, somebodys car went off the road....which was obviously a horrible accident that shouldn't have happened....but that's what it was...an accident. If you gave somebody a car for christmas and that person drove drunk that very night..( and I'm in nowhere saying that the accident in question was because of drinking and driving...just using it as an example)

No, she wasn't drunk. Her car slid off the road because of all the ice. It was a very nasty storm. The roads were very slick. I slid off the road too coming home from work. Fortunately I wasn't on the freeway and was able to get my car back on the road. So no harm done. Unfortunately this woman lost her life through no fault of her own. It wasn't any ones fault. Sometimes shit happens.

Edit: It just occurred to me why you don't see a connection between the storm and the accident. Perhaps in Canada the roads are snowed over all winter long. So you put chains on your tires or use snow tires and storms make little difference. In my area the roads are clear except during storms. So when an ice storm comes through it's very dangerous.

 

[Misssy2]

How can we not if he sent the storm knowing people would die? If this is the situation, he is directly responsible for their deaths.



You constantly contradict yourself.


Actually believing god does things for you on a personal level goes way beyond "I have a hard time believing in god" to I REALLY believe in god and he does me personal favors.


Hey, don't feel sad for me bringing up a serious theological problem that Jews and Christians alike have to cope with. Where was god during the holocaust when his "chosen people" were being toasted?

Ok, let me try to simplify this for you.....
I WANT to believe in GOD. I have a HARD time believing in GOD because I NEED PROOF. When things happen to me that I feel are POSSIBLY proof to me that someone is helping me thru tough times...I chose to think that that entity is GOD....to elevate my belief. LIKE I SAID...I WANT TO BELIEVE....I will keep searching for ways to believe vs. searching for ways NOT to believe.

AND I have also said that I EVEN believe that some of the bad fortune that falls upon me could be punishment from GOD.

The funniest thing to me about this whole post...is I am an agnostic and in my AA meetings I always roll my eyes when people start to go off on the GOD thing....I am confused about it....I'm not asking anyone to educate me....I'm trying to find my own way...and I POST what I feel on all topics...when I am feeling whatever I am feeling. :gives: