Gnostic or agnostic

[Minor Axis]

That's just why *I* think a lot of people take issue with him.

Him as in GIA, I think most of the people who take issue with him are theists who feel he is besmirching their beliefs or because he makes a ton of posts all with the same overall questioning the Bible theme.

 

[doombug]

Him as in GIA, I think most of the people who take issue with him are theists who feel he is besmirching their beliefs or because he makes a ton of posts all with the same overall questioning the Bible theme.

And then there is me. I find his "themes" are not based on the bible but based on what he wants others to believe the bible says. There isn't much truth to what GIA says and he refuses to back himself up.

 

[doombug]

The God I know does not do miracles.


The Godhead I know in a nutshell.
I was a skeptic till the age of 39.
I then had an apotheosis and later branded myself a Gnostic Christian naturalist.
Gnostic Christian because I exemplify this quote from William Blake.

“Both read the Bible day and night, But thou read'st black where I read white.”

This refers to how Gnostics tend to reverse, for moral reasons, what Christians see in the Bible. We tend to recognize the evil ways of O T God where literal Christians will see God’s killing as good. Christians are sheeple where Gnostic Christians are goats.
This perhaps why we see the use of a Jesus scapegoat as immoral, while theists like to make Jesus their beast of burden. An immoral position.

During my apotheosis, something that only lasted 5 or 6 seconds, the only things of note to happen was that my paradigm of reality was confirmed and I was chastised to think more demographically. What I found was what I call a cosmic consciousness. Not a new term but one that is a close but not exact fit.

I recognize that I have no proof. That is always the way with apotheosis.
This is also why I prefer to stick to issues of morality because no one has yet been able to prove that God is real and I have no more proof than they for the cosmic consciousness.

The cosmic consciousness is not a miracle working God. He does not interfere with us save when one of us finds it. Not a common thing from what I can see. It is a part of nature and our next evolutionary step.

I tend to have more in common with atheists who ignore what they see as my delusion because our morals are basically identical. Theist tend not to like me much as I have no respect for literalists and fundamentals and think that most Christians have tribal mentalities and poor morals.

I am rather between a rock and a hard place but this I cannot help.

I am happy to be questioned on what I believe but whether or not God exists is basically irrelevant to this world for all that he does not do, and I prefer to thrash out moral issues that can actually find an end point. The search for God is never ending when you are of the Gnostic persuasion. My apotheosis basically says that I am to discard whatever God I found, God as a set of rules that is, not idol worship, it but instead, raise my bar and seek further.

My apotheosis also showed me that God has no need for love, adoration or obedience. He has no needs. Man has dominion here on earth and is to be and is the supreme being.

Regards
DL

And yet you misrepresent what is written in the bible in order to have these discussions. I am not a "bible thumper" in the least I just find what you do to be dishonest. Anyone who is interested in true debate will naturally find tactics such as this undesirable.

 

[Minor Axis]

And then there is me. I find his "themes" are not based on the bible but based on what he wants others to believe the bible says. There isn't much truth to what GIA says and he refuses to back himself up.

So you are proud of your inability to acknowledge differing opinions and more than adequate explanations for the foundations of those opinions when they don't jive with your prejudices. :clap

 

[doombug]

So you are proud of your inability to acknowledge differing opinions and more than adequate explanations for the foundations of those opinions when they don't jive with your prejudices. :clap

Not really. He has yet to provide "adequate explanations" for any of his threads. It is all preaching.

 

[Greatest I am]

Yep. That's why I respect you. Your belief doesn't concern me. And you're not delusional. If you thought you had proof of a cosmic consciousness then I might wonder about you. But I don't and others shouldn't fault you for believing in a cosmic consciousness even if we don't share your belief. And who knows, you could be right.

Time will tell.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I really like this post.

Now I'll roll play an annoying forum personality: You need to explain that! I need proof! Did you make all this stuff up??? Lol.

I do not make up stories. Being absent minded, I might contradict myself.

As to proof that God does not do miracles, just look around.
See any miracles?
Neither do I.

Lack of proof might not be evidence to some but then again, it is to those who say there are miracles to show where and when.
It is not to others to show that miracles never happened.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

For what it's worth, I've always seen GIA as fair and thoughtful. Not sure why so many take issue.

Thanks.

Those who take issue are usually only believers.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

And then there is me. I find his "themes" are not based on the bible but based on what he wants others to believe the bible says. There isn't much truth to what GIA says and he refuses to back himself up.

Then put one of the lies you see up here and we can thrash it out.
That or this post will prompt you to ignore me instead of just jabbing uselessly at me.

Then again, your agenda is to discredit Christians and you do that quite well so it serves my purpose for you to just jab uselessly.
Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

And yet you misrepresent what is written in the bible in order to have these discussions.

You keep saying such but never show or explain your position.

I am not a "bible thumper" in the least I just find what you do to be dishonest.

You keep saying such but never show or prove your point.

Anyone who is interested in true debate will naturally find tactics such as this undesirable.

Of course. That is why you do not debate and just jab uselessly along.
Others have tried to advance your thinking but to no avail.

Regards
DL

 

[doombug]

You keep saying such but never show or explain your position.



You keep saying such but never show or prove your point.



Of course. That is why you do not debate and just jab uselessly along.
Others have tried to advance your thinking but to no avail.

Regards
DL

You are the one making claims here. I am only asking you to show how you reach your conclusions but you continue to deflect.

 

[Minor Axis]

You are the one making claims here. I am only asking you to show how you reach your conclusions but you continue to deflect.

GIA makes no claims, just mostly logical speculation based on a Biblical story. Can't you see that? I like carrying water. You won't make me feel bad about it.

 

[doombug]

GIA makes no claims, just mostly logical speculation based on a Biblical story. Can't you see that? I like carrying water. You won't make me feel bad about it.

Logical speculation? Fancy way to say "lies".

 

[Tim]

If they are lies, then why don't you prove them as such?

You can claim they are lies all you want, but until you actually articulate your side, it's nothing but hot air.

 

[Alien Allen]

If they are lies, then why don't you prove them as such?

You can claim they are lies all you want, but until you actually articulate your side, it's nothing but hot air.

:thumbup

 

[doombug]

If they are lies, then why don't you prove them as such?

You can claim they are lies all you want, but until you actually articulate your side, it's nothing but hot air.

Well, that's like saying that those who don't believe in God have to prove He doesn't exist. You see GIA is the one making claims so it is up to him to prove what he is saying. Otherwise his premises are invalid.

 

[Greatest I am]

Well, that's like saying that those who don't believe in God have to prove He doesn't exist. You see GIA is the one making claims so it is up to him to prove what he is saying. Otherwise his premises are invalid.

Which one in particular is irksome to you?
I can try to speak to it if you like.

You have talked a lot of me in a personal way.
I wonder if you would like to speak of your avatar?

Regards
DL

 

[doombug]

Which one in particular is irksome to you?
I can try to speak to it if you like.

You have talked a lot of me in a personal way.
I wonder if you would like to speak of your avatar?

Regards
DL

Pick any of your threads. You don't prove anything, you only preach your opinion.

Now you want to jump to ad hominem attacks and say something about my avatar. Go ahead and show your desperation. You have no answers and need to deflect....pathetic..

 

[Alien Allen]

Pick any of your threads. You don't prove anything, you only preach your opinion.

Now you want to jump to ad hominem attacks and say something about my avatar. Go ahead and show your desperation. You have no answers and need to deflect....pathetic..

talk about a pot calling a kettle black

 

[Tim]

talk about a pot calling a kettle black

Thought the exact same thing...