Free college for all?

[TheOriginalJames]

If I could take 150k in college courses and get a better job for free, do you think I'd complain about it?


That's what I think.

 

[FreeWorkVest]

I agree. I think there should definitely be some restrictions on who can go. I mean if you barely skated through school and didn't give a damn, then you don't go. But if you see that your college education will be paid for in full if you work hard and get good grades, that's one hell of a motivation.

I didn't mean anyone and everyone should go. There has to be limits

Sometimes people wake up a little late. I know people who worked hard through school, graduated with 4.0GPA's,m then quit college because they were fried. I know a lot of low GPA burnout, skip school, etc people who went to college and graduated, one at the top of his class and currently lead investigator at the physics lab at a major university. Everyone should be given a chance.

I believe the government should offer two years of college free, with scolorships for the rest. The best thing the government ever did was the GI Bill. After WWII, so many people who would never have gone to college went, and it provided us with scientists, doctors, teachers, etc.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Here is what you'd have to prevent, the college system turning into a "public school system" which in my opinion is not only far below par, but borderline corrupt, and no two schools in the system are equal in the way the state distributes funding.

Another issue, sure I'll pay a few more dollars in taxes for it.....But from that point forward, there should be no special breaks on grades or test scores according to race.

No more racial quotas, of any kind. It's unfair to anyone to compete with someone who is a. not only going to get a free ride, and b. only has to score a percentage of you to qualify, I don't care what anyone says, it's reverse discrimination.

And basically, I have no idea who would govern this new system, but I hope it's not the government, especially the federal government. They'd fuck up a hot cup of coffee.

 

[Minor Axis]

I support the abolition of all public schooling.

I suppose public education IS one of your communist plots.

It seems like some of our conservative members would really like to return to the 1700s where only the people who were well off could afford to be educated. That is absolutely not what this country stands for.

The only privilege issue I see regarding education is that if you are ready to learn, not goof off, you should be privileged to get the education.

However keep in mind that having a bunch of college educated people means nothing if most of the good jobs have sailed overseas.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

What I dislike is how some "minorities" get more opportunities. I know plently of poorer people that would do ten times better in that program but, because they were only poor and not mexican or female, they didn't get the chance. I agree wtih Bad Boy disremation--in anyway on sex or skin color should not be tolerated. Programs like MESA should be changed.

 

[Peter Parka]

The only privilege issue I see regarding education is that if you are ready to learn, not goof off, you should be privileged to get the education.

Unfortunately, the truth is that many who are ready to learn really haven't got the intelligence to do a degree. Also, how could you tell who was and wasn't willing to learn? I think you should qualify for a college education by the grades you achieve at school.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Unfortunately, the truth is that many who are ready to learn really haven't got the intelligence to do a degree. Also, how could you tell who was and wasn't willing to learn? I think you should qualify for a college education by the grades you achieve at school.

:homo:

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Unfortunately, the truth is that many who are ready to learn really haven't got the intelligence to do a degree. Also, how could you tell who was and wasn't willing to learn? I think you should qualify for a college education by the grades you achieve at school.

Yup, that is the way it is supposed to be.

I did attend a school that did not drop requirements, you simply had to be in the top 5% of your class, make a certain range on SAT's and carry a double major.

Beyond that it was a cakewalk

 

[ssl]

*could have sworn two years accept 6% of class...*

I could be confused with McUniversity though...

:shrug:

 

[dt3]

One big problem with this is the effect it would have on military recruitment. If everyone could get into college it would completely nullify the GI Bill, which is a major recruiting tool.

 

[Dana]

I say yes why not... I kinda wish i could do all my schooling over again so I can put more effort into it instead of being the slacker I used to be.

 

[FreeWorkVest]

One big problem with this is the effect it would have on military recruitment. If everyone could get into college it would completely nullify the GI Bill, which is a major recruiting tool.

The GI Bill has been a useless joke since the 80's.

 

[groundpounder]

It has been estimated that the cost of those free educations was returned to the economy by a factor of 10.

I don't disagree with this, but is there some empirical research saying so? A factor of 10 is HUGE!

Education is the foundation to this country and the more college educated people, the better the country will do.

The world is full of educated derelicts. However, I agree that if every single person in this country had higher education, the net effect would be HUGELY positive

I voted for more info. It seems like a good idea, but surely there are negatives too.

same here

I agree. I think there should definitely be some restrictions on who can go. ...I didn't mean anyone and everyone should go. There has to be limits

I'd like to know your thoughts on this before I fully engage the thread intellectually.

I did attend a school that did not drop requirements, you simply had to be in the top 5% of your class, make a certain range on SAT's and carry a double major.

Beyond that it was a cakewalk

cocky bastard. you and your high IQ, probably wearing white gloves sipping earl grey tea right now then clapping your hands together and while looking down your nose, saying "Oh, buggah, I say! Get in here, my good fellow, and bring me more tea. Texas tea." *clapclap*

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Originally Posted by BadBoy@TheWheel
I did attend a school that did not drop requirements, you simply had to be in the top 5% of your class, make a certain range on SAT's and carry a double major.

Beyond that it was a cakewalk
cocky bastard. you and your high IQ, probably wearing white gloves sipping earl grey tea right now then clapping your hands together and while looking down your nose, saying "Oh, buggah, I say! Get in here, my good fellow, and bring me more tea. Texas tea." *clapclap*

My point with that post Jason was not to look down on anyone, any higher education is better than none, my point was that schools should have essentially similar requirements, especially if they went to a "free" type tuition thing frankly the issue with return on investment with college isn't college, that's my opinion.

Getting kids when they are young is the secret to long term educational and subsequent career achivement.

I think our issue here in the states, is that we dont emphasize education like europe, or the asian continents do, the esteem of most children you meet from across the ocean is wrapped totally in education.

Here, it's something we make look optional, if they have nothing else better to do.

 

[dt3]

The GI Bill has been a useless joke since the 80's.

Oh, please do expound on that brilliant thought.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

My brother wouldn't be going to collage if he wasn't in the military :dunno

 

[skyblue]

EDUCTAION IS SOMETHING TO BE EARNED AND IS NOT A RIGHT.
I lived in the backwoods redneck part of upstate New York, and I can tell you that education is not a right, it is a privelege and it is something you have to earn. I support the abolition of all public schooling.

so what your saying is that if poor parents cant afford to pay they're kids dont get educated?

 

[Goat Whisperer]

so what your saying is that if poor parents cant afford to pay they're kids dont get educated?

What he is saying if you are poor--it is harder, but, not impossible. Some people don't have to work at it and others do. We shouldn't change it so no one has to work at it at all. Life it isn't fair some have to work and some don't, but if no one works, and works hard, what's the point of living?

 

[groundpounder]

My point with that post Jason was not to look down on anyone, any higher education is better than none, my point was that schools should have essentially similar requirements, especially if they went to a "free" type tuition thing frankly the issue with return on investment with college isn't college, that's my opinion.....

ppppbbbtttthhh!!!
I still think you're a snooty, Ivy League edumencationes snob. Idiot savant, but in reverse and with the IQ to back it up :24:

 

[groundpounder]

The GI Bill has been a useless joke since the 80's.

Oh, please do expound on that brilliant thought.

I was thinking the same thing, delta tango. This should be rich.
back that up with
FACTS
FACTS
FACTS
:thumbup

so what your saying is that if poor parents cant afford to pay they're kids dont get educated?

Probably not. It couldn't be strictly socioeconomic, as that would lead very quickly to an aristocratic and eglatariat system.
It would have to be merit based, socioecnomically based, situationally, a lot different parameters, which Tim alluded to here:

I think there should definitely be some restrictions on who can go. ...I didn't mean anyone and everyone should go. There has to be limits

He'll come back and give us the 4-1-1 soon enough.:nod: