Fair tax ?

[The Man]

Supply and demand issues, rob.......industry/business simply does not create jobs unless they see a need for them.
Non productive labor costs and benefits are simply bigger than the tax breaks they'd be getting.

Doesn't stop a convenience store from opening up across the street from another does it?
Same can apply in mfg and services...its about competition
You must also remember we have lower demand as jobs are down..with floods of construction we will needs lots of jobs...as explained prior its not just the labor for a build...the labor for those materials...all the way back to raw materials...all the freighting etc
A simple 5 million dollar project will reward very many hours of labor...and that project will be selling goods or providing a service after completion....demand will be up as more people will be working....its win win.
Its also a safe investment from their view as its a snooze or lose proposition.....so there will be alot of takers.

And again its not a tax break stone.

 

[The Man]

and thats a great initiative for business and employers, but what TM is proposing takes it a step further of INDIVIDUALS to recieve a tax credit for investing capitol in any type of industrial projects that also lend to stimulating the economy and creating jobs.

Now you know why he is called stone...its like arguing with a rock

 

[Stone]

And there you go again.
I said the money we would be taking in taxes give them the option to invest in mfg as I described...thats not a tax break.


And I explained to you that budget cuts actually slow growth as some govt does create in the private sector..Dont get me wrong..I want budget cuts...but it will slow the growth a little...tax hikes do as well.
By your proposition of both at the same time in a cripple economy..I just cant agree with.

The only bullshit is you attempting to twist statements of another.

I said the money we would be taking in taxes give them the option to invest in mfg as I described...thats not a tax break.

You need to proof read your post....that makes no sense

And I explained to you that budget cuts actually slow growth ....

And you argued earlier that the government was spending too much and we needed budget cuts.
You debate out of convenience of the moment, changing your argument as you go ....

Dont get me wrong..I want budget cuts...but it will slow the growth a little

Again, changing your argument......meh

By your proposition of both at the same time in a cripple economy..I just cant agree with.

You never will agree no matter what the statistics show.

The only bullshit is you attempting to twist statements of another.

I caught you on your quotes, bud.....

 

[Stone]

and thats a great initiative for business and employers, but what TM is proposing takes it a step further of INDIVIDUALS to recieve a tax credit for investing capitol in any type of industrial projects that also lend to stimulating the economy and creating jobs.

That would be venture capital and as I mentioned earlier, that's been on the decline.
Returns on capital gains have been more lucrative and with , of course, less risk.

From that angle, it's a pipe dream.

Still....issues of supply and demand still determine any economic expansion and with the middle class in a slump and being the consumer base at the same time.....it's just not going to have much of an effect.....and that is the reason for job creation lag.

 

[The Man]

Have fun stone...I have better things to do than fuck with your context abuse...gonna watch some tube for a while.
You can sit and refresh the page every ten seconds to see if I post...while I go enjoy myself.

 

[Tim]

and thats a great initiative for business and employers, but what TM is proposing takes it a step further of INDIVIDUALS to recieve a tax credit for investing capitol in any type of industrial projects that also lend to stimulating the economy and creating jobs.

I could agree with this if the economy/middle class were a lot healthier.

This is a supply and demand problem. Why would someone invest money into a company that has no customers? The total devastation of the middle class has resulted in a very weak market. There are people out there sitting on large sums of money that would absolutely jump at a chance to make more. If there was a need in the market right now it would be filled. If there was a lack of manufacturing capability then factories would be made. But that's not the case right now, it's a demand problem we are facing, not a lack of supply.

This country needs a strong and healthy middle class that has money to spend. There needs to be a demand for new products.

You don't build more cars when you can't sell the ones you already have on the lot. But if you are selling them faster than you can make them, then you build more factories and hire more people to build them.
You don't build more factories and hire people to make products that aren't selling in hopes that those new jobs make enough money for the workers to end up buying the products they are making.... it's just backwards.

 

[Stone]

Now you know why he is called stone...its like arguing with a rock

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Durable is my middle name

 

[robdawg1]

That would be venture capital and as I mentioned earlier, that's been on the decline.
Returns on capital gains have been more lucrative and with , of course, less risk.

From that angle, it's a pipe dream.

Still....issues of supply and demand still determine any economic expansion and with the middle class in a slump and being the consumer base at the same time.....it's just not going to have much of an effect.....and that is the reason for job creation lag.

Venture capitol is down, because there isn't the incentive. with the tax incentive there would be an increase in venture capitol. Supply and demand do determine and are primary components of the economy, but increased venture spending would increase money flow, create jobs, create revenue, and thereby increase demand.

 

[Stone]

Have fun stone...I have better things to do than fuck with your context abuse...gonna watch some tube for a while.
You can sit and refresh the page every ten seconds to see if I post...while I go enjoy myself.

.I have better things to do....

Anything would be better than your performance tonight

while I go enjoy myself.

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Really?....

 

[Stone]

Venture capitol is down, because there isn't the incentive. with the tax incentive there would be an increase in venture capitol. Supply and demand do determine and are primary components of the economy, but increased venture spending would increase money flow, create jobs, create revenue, and thereby increase demand.

but increased venture spending would increase money flow, create jobs, create revenue, and thereby increase demand.

In a healthy economy.
That simply isn't the current situation, rob.
I've nothing against it, it's just not a productive endeavor at this time.
Even new startups need a market.

TM is arguing to replace tax increases on the wealthy with tax credits.
That's not a solution for our current situation.

 

[Stone]

I could agree with this if the economy/middle class were a lot healthier.

This is a supply and demand problem. Why would someone invest money into a company that has no customers? The total devastation of the middle class has resulted in a very weak market. There are people out there sitting on large sums of money that would absolutely jump at a chance to make more. If there was a need in the market right now it would be filled. If there was a lack of manufacturing capability then factories would be made. But that's not the case right now, it's a demand problem we are facing, not a lack of supply.

This country needs a strong and healthy middle class that has money to spend. There needs to be a demand for new products.

You don't build more cars when you can't sell the ones you already have on the lot. But if you are selling them faster than you can make them, then you build more factories and hire more people to build them.
You don't build more factories and hire people to make products that aren't selling in hopes that those new jobs make enough money for the workers to end up buying the products they are making.... it's just backwards.

That's it.

 

[The Man]

I could agree with this if the economy/middle class were a lot healthier.

This is a supply and demand problem. Why would someone invest money into a company that has no customers? The total devastation of the middle class has resulted in a very weak market. There are people out there sitting on large sums of money that would absolutely jump at a chance to make more. If there was a need in the market right now it would be filled. If there was a lack of manufacturing capability then factories would be made. But that's not the case right now, it's a demand problem we are facing, not a lack of supply.

This country needs a strong and healthy middle class that has money to spend. There needs to be a demand for new products.

You don't build more cars when you can't sell the ones you already have on the lot. But if you are selling them faster than you can make them, then you build more factories and hire more people to build them.
You don't build more factories and hire people to make products that aren't selling in hopes that those new jobs make enough money for the workers to end up buying the products they are making.... it's just backwards.

Commercial break.
You are best not trying to follow stone arguement,,,he is twisting things up again.
Its not an investment per say....we would be taking the money anyway as tax..its a snooze or loose.
Its also risk free as they would have lost it anyway by uncle sam taking it.
Who would care about supply and demand under those conditions?
And as said....there are man many many hour involved just in construction alone...thats the jump start to getting people back at work,,,when people are working demand goes up...thus creating more jobs..its self compounding..its win win

 

[Stone]

Commercial break.
You are best not trying to follow stone arguement,,,he is twisting things up again.
Its not an investment per say....we would be taking the money anyway as tax..its a snooze or loose.
Its also risk free as they would have lost it anyway by uncle sam taking it.
Who would care about supply and demand under those conditions?
And as said....there are man many many hour involved just in construction alone...thats the jump start to getting people back at work,,,when people are working demand goes up...thus creating more jobs..its self compounding..its win win

we would be taking the money anyway as tax..its a snooze or loose.
Its also risk free as they would have lost it anyway by uncle sam taking it.

That's what a tax credit is, fool

 

[The Man]

That's it.

You really should not agree with tim agreeing with you.
Remember stone people set up shop overseas to beat the costs here...My plan offers great incentive to set up here.
And remember the construction stone,,,this is key.
A simple 5 million dollar building is mostly labor...as its not only the labor to build but all the labor involved in materials that go to the building.....it is a great return on 5 million bucks.
WHEN PEOPLE ARE NOW WORKING they can buy those cars on tims lot...which means more cars have to be built....about 3 million dollars worth


You can not beat science stone.

Back to the tv...shall return

 

[Stone]

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Its not an investment per say. ...we would be taking the money anyway as tax..its a snooze or loose.
Its also risk free as they would have lost it anyway by uncle sam taking it........................

(sigh!)
Translation.....you don't get the tax credit if you don't make the investment.


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[Tim]

Commercial break.
You are best not trying to follow stone arguement,,,he is twisting things up again.
Its not an investment per say....we would be taking the money anyway as tax..its a snooze or loose.
Its also risk free as they would have lost it anyway by uncle sam taking it.
Who would care about supply and demand under those conditions?
And as said....there are man many many hour involved just in construction alone...thats the jump start to getting people back at work,,,when people are working demand goes up...thus creating more jobs..its self compounding..its win win

If you are going to just make tax dollars disappear from the treasury, then use them to rebuild our failing infrastructure.

 

[Stone]

You really should not agree with tim agreeing with you.
Remember stone people set up shop overseas to beat the costs here...My plan offers great incentive to set up here.
And remember the construction stone,,,this is key.
A simple 5 million dollar building is mostly labor...as its not only the labor to build but all the labor involved in materials that go to the building.....it is a great return on 5 million bucks.
WHEN PEOPLE ARE NOW WORKING they can buy those cars on tims lot...which means more cars have to be built.


You can not beat science stone.

Back to the tv...shall return

Pipe dreams

 

[Tim]

You really should not agree with tim agreeing with you.
Remember stone people set up shop overseas to beat the costs here...My plan offers great incentive to set up here.
And remember the construction stone,,,this is key.
A simple 5 million dollar building is mostly labor...as its not only the labor to build but all the labor involved in materials that go to the building.....it is a great return on 5 million bucks.
WHEN PEOPLE ARE NOW WORKING they can buy those cars on tims lot...which means more cars have to be built.


You can not beat science stone.

Back to the tv...shall return

You really don't have a fucking clue, do you?

Your ideas and philosophies are so ass backwards it makes me wonder if you are just fucking with us....

 

[The Man]

You really don't have a fucking clue, do you?

Your ideas and philosophies are so ass backwards it makes me wonder if you are just fucking with us....

Let me guess...you failed science as well.
But am I just fucking with you?
Hell no bro....why would a bro snow another bro,bro

 

[The Man]

You really don't have a fucking clue, do you?

Your ideas and philosophies are so ass backwards it makes me wonder if you are just fucking with us....

Your frustrations could have been avoided had you not been riding stones coat tail.
You are actually dragging him down and he will tire of you soon