Fair tax ?

[Accountable]

We are not growing

That's not the question.

 

[The Man]

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You keep contradicting yourself, TM


TM posted>


Semantics, eh?


Reality does not support your pipe dream.

A tax break if its used to create jobs...you know what I said...you know what it meant.
Now get the fuck out of my thread...fucking troll

 

[Stone]

A tax break if its used to create jobs...you know what I said...you know what it meant.
Now get the fuck out of my thread...fucking troll

And it's been shown with statistics that since the economic meltdown, intense wealth has been accumulating with the wealthy, job creation has lagged and middleclass wages declined.

Your argument is bullshit.

 

[The Man]

That's not the question.

response is still the same..as we only need to look at the result...we have no growth
We have to give incentive for growth by letting them invest in mfg or services or lose the funds in tax.

 

[The Man]

And it's been shown with statistics that since the economic meltdown, intense wealth has been accumulating with the wealthy, job creation has lagged and middleclass wages declined.

Your argument is bullshit.

And I offered the solution for that...fact is you cant stand someone else being right as you are a pathetic emotionally unstable ole geezer.
So in your fucked up mind you try to make someone else wrong......You try to be a bully to build your ego because no one else will stroke it for you
Same shit that got you banned from the other forum.

get a life.

 

[Stone]

response is still the same..as we only need to look at the result...we have no growth
We have to give incentive for growth by letting them invest in mfg or services or lose the funds in tax.

as we only need to look at the result...we have no growth

Statics show wealth accumulation at record rates and record highs while taxes are low on the wealthy....and job creation lags.....and you think more of the same is logical?

TM....it's a capitalistic model with supply and demand issues.
Currently, with the consumer base------> the middle class taking wage cuts, demand isn't going to grow quickly thus little need for job creation.
Making the wealthy richer isn't the solution to job creation at this time.

Your logic is all catywompass.

 

[robdawg1]

OK, so I may kick myself in the ass for this, but i kind of see where TM is coming from. He is not proposing a blanket tax cut for the wealthy, but merely a tax incentive for those who invest in job creating projects such as construction or manufacturing. I could be on board with that. I know that a simple tax cut to promote spending in the top 1 percent fails because they simply hold on to the money when the economy slows as opposed to investing in a stagnant or recessing market. that type of hoarding of moneys causes further issues to consumer driven industries which in turn drives the market further into a spiral....

 

[Stone]

And I offered the solution for that...fact is you cant stand someone else being right as you are a pathetic emotionally unstable ole geezer.
So in your fucked up mind you try to make someone else wrong......You try to be a bully to build your ego because no one else will stroke it for you
Same shit that got you banned from the other forum.

get a life.

Repeating the same shit over and over isn't offering a new or different solution.

 

[Stone]

OK, so I may kick myself in the ass for this, but i kind of see where TM is coming from. He is not proposing a blanket tax cut for the wealthy, but merely a tax incentive for those who invest in job creating projects such as construction or manufacturing. I could be on board with that. I know that a simple tax cut to promote spending in the top 1 percent fails because they simply hold on to the money when the economy slows as opposed to investing in a stagnant or recessing market. that type of hoarding of moneys causes further issues to consumer driven industries which in turn drives the market further into a spiral....

That's been in place and there hasn't been much to show for it.

 

[The Man]

Statics show wealth accumulation at record rates and record highs while taxes are low on the wealthy....and job creation lags.....and you think more of the same is logical?

TM....it's a capitalistic model with supply and demand issues.
Currently, with the consumer base------> the middle class taking wage cuts, demand isn't going to grow quickly thus little need for job creation.
Making the wealthy richer isn't the solution to job creation at this time.

Your logic is all catywompass.

Statics show wealth accumulation at record rates and record highs while taxes are low on the wealthy

Income inequality stopped ramping at the end of bushes term....it has been shown.

Currently, with the consumer base------> the middle class taking wage cuts, demand isn't going to grow quickly thus little need for job creation.

I offered the solution...which created jobs..when people are working and making money then we have a demand at consumer level again...if you cant follow along then do not respond to my posts.

How about this stone.
You know so much of what is wrong...then you offer a solution.
Its easy to sit there like a little bitch and try to find something wrong with someones proposition...but you look like a little twit without offering your own.
Whats the matter...nothing to offer...cant be wrong if you have nothing to offer right stone...got to protect that delicate ego of yours hey bro?

 

[robdawg1]

That's been in place and there hasn't been much to show for it.

not to the extent it should be. it should be like a charitable donation, round the time for tax season charities boom from the wealthy trying to get rid of some expendable cash and claim it on taxes to meet that target limit to gat a bigger break. I think that if we did the same for industrial investment you would see some bigger growth.

 

[The Man]

OK, so I may kick myself in the ass for this, but i kind of see where TM is coming from. He is not proposing a blanket tax cut for the wealthy, but merely a tax incentive for those who invest in job creating projects such as construction or manufacturing. I could be on board with that. I know that a simple tax cut to promote spending in the top 1 percent fails because they simply hold on to the money when the economy slows as opposed to investing in a stagnant or recessing market. that type of hoarding of moneys causes further issues to consumer driven industries which in turn drives the market further into a spiral....

Yes you have it right rob.
The money we are going to take from them in tax...they have the option of spending it in fields that create mfg or services requiring actual workers....rather than paper investments.

 

[The Man]

not to the extent it should be. it should be like a charitable donation, round the time for tax season charities boom from the wealthy trying to get rid of some expendable cash and claim it on taxes to meet that target limit to gat a bigger break. I think that if we did the same for industrial investment you would see some bigger growth.

Yes...and the results will start showing immediately if construction is involved...and it will as buildings will need to be built for new industry.

 

[The Man]

Sort of a use or lose it approach

 

[Stone]

Income inequality stopped ramping at the end of bushes term....it has been shown.

I offered the solution...which created jobs..when people are working and making money then we have a demand at consumer level again...if you cant follow along then do not respond to my posts.

How about this stone.
You know so much of what is wrong...then you offer a solution.
Its easy to sit there like a little bitch and try to find something wrong with someones proposition...but you look like a little twit without offering your own.
Whats the matter...nothing to offer...cant be wrong if you have nothing to offer right stone...got to protect that delicate ego of your hey bro.

Income inequality stopped ramping at the end of bushes term....it has been shown.

That would be the equity lost in the stockmarket crash...but since then, wealth accumulation has reached new highs at record rates while middle class wages have steadily declined since about 2002.

I offered the solution...which created jobs..when people are working and making money then we have a demand at consumer level again...if you cant follow along then do not respond to my posts.

But you argued tax cuts would drive that.......and that's incorrect.
That's not a new solution, you're just stating it from a different view......and it's bullshit.

How about this stone.
You know so much of what is wrong...then you offer a solution.

Budget cuts and a couple % points increase in the rates of top tax brackets.
And I've posted that before.
As far as specifics......as I posted earlier, I'm not an economist, but I do recognize bullshit when I read it.
But this thread is your argument and I'm here to tear apart your bullshit

Its easy to sit there like a little bitch and try to find something wrong with someones proposition

It's especially easy with yours

 

[Stone]

not to the extent it should be. it should be like a charitable donation, round the time for tax season charities boom from the wealthy trying to get rid of some expendable cash and claim it on taxes to meet that target limit to gat a bigger break. I think that if we did the same for industrial investment you would see some bigger growth.

Supply and demand issues, rob.......industry/business simply does not create jobs unless they see a need for them.
Non productive labor costs and benefits are simply bigger than the tax breaks they'd be getting.

 

[robdawg1]

Supply and demand issues, rob.......industry/business simply does not create jobs unless they see a need for them.
Non productive labor costs and benefits are simply bigger than the tax breaks they'd be getting.

but what he is proposing is similar to the charitable tax write offs. You either pay taxes on the money or you donate a certain amount and recieve a tax break for it. The same would apply in as much earnest to industrial investments, and with the increased revenue the projects grow and with the growth of the projects comes expansion and with expansion comes job creation.

 

[The Man]

That would be the equity lost in the stockmarket crash...but since then, wealth accumulation has reached new highs at record rates while middle class wages have steadily declined since about 2002.



But you argued tax cuts would drive that.......and that's incorrect.
That's not a new solution, you're just stating it from a different view......and it's bullshit.



Budget cuts and a couple % points increase in the rates of top tax brackets.
And I've posted that before.
As far as specifics......as I posted earlier, I'm not an economist, but I do recognize bullshit when I read it.
But this thread is your argument and I'm here to tear apart your bullshit



It's especially easy with yours

But you argued tax cuts would drive that.......and that's incorrect.
That's not a new solution, you're just stating it from a different view......and it's bullshit.

And there you go again.
I said the money we would be taking in taxes give them the option to invest in mfg as I described...thats not a tax break.

Budget cuts and a couple % points increase in the rates of top tax brackets.
And I've posted that before.

And I explained to you that budget cuts actually slow growth as some govt does create in the private sector..Dont get me wrong..I want budget cuts...but it will slow the growth a little...tax hikes do as well.
By your proposition of both at the same time in a cripple economy..I just cant agree with.

As far as specifics......as I posted earlier, I'm not an economist, but I do recognize bullshit when I read it.

The only bullshit is you attempting to twist statements of another.

 

[Stone]

but what he is proposing is similar to the charitable tax write offs. You either pay taxes on the money or you donate a certain amount and recieve a tax break for it. The same would apply in as much earnest to industrial investments, and with the increased revenue the projects grow and with the growth of the projects comes expansion and with expansion comes job creation.

rod.......job creation tax credits are already in place, TM hasn't offered anything new


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiring_Incentives_to_Restore_Employment_Act

 

[robdawg1]

rod.......job creation tax credits are already in place, TM hasn't offered anything new


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiring_Incentives_to_Restore_Employment_Act

and thats a great initiative for business and employers, but what TM is proposing takes it a step further of INDIVIDUALS to recieve a tax credit for investing capitol in any type of industrial projects that also lend to stimulating the economy and creating jobs.