Does and should God break His commandments?

[mazHur]

Re: Does and should God break His commandments?

Can we stop Him if He does????

 

[Minor Axis]

if this god fellow exists then he doesn't have to follow SHIT, he runs the show, he is above the law.

The key word is if, so what conclusion can be reached?

Can we stop Him if He does????

Should we respect him if he does? Actually I think God has gotten a bad rap by all these rules attributed to him by MAN.

 

[edgray]

God can't break any commandments because he doesn't exist.

 

[Minor Axis]

God can't break any commandments because he doesn't exist.

Prove it. Since you've gone out on a limb, any thoughts on the afterlife?

 

[edgray]

Prove it. Since you've gone out on a limb, any thoughts on the afterlife?

I think the burden of proof lies with the belief of his existence. Religions are simply a way to describe the natural world that people have taken waaaaay tooooo seriously... isn't it odd how all of the dates in Christianity were the very same dates the Pagans used to celebrate?

Afterlife? None, I'd say.

 

[Minor Axis]

Afterlife? None, I'd say.

But based on what? Not picking on you, just philosophical speaking, life is like being stuck in your house with no windows. Death or our perception of death is like the world outside of your house. How can we to make any judgments about what is out there? It's like saying because I can't see, taste, or feel it, there is nothing there. Maybe there is nothing, but I don't think it's a safe bet to say because we can't see what is outside, there is nothing there.

If you limit your thinking to what you can observe such as an animal dies and it is no more, then you could be confident of your beliefs, but if you consider the possibilities of souls or parallel universes, then it is not such a nice tidy easily understood package.

Most people are so willing to believe in God based on faith, but the problem is that they lock themselves into heaven and hell as described by established religions. If they can go with the "GOD" based on faith, they should be able to consider other possibilities.

 

[Peter Parka]

I cant prove toasters toasting hamsters while orbiting the earth dont exist but no ones thinks I'm narrow minded because I dont believe in it.:dunno

 

[Minor Axis]

I cant prove toasters toasting hamsters while orbiting the earth dont exist but no ones thinks I'm narrow minded because I dont believe in it.:dunno

Valid point. There are some limits.

"I don't believe in dragons because there is no proof of dragons." Next week they find a fire breathing dragon. Ok, so no I believe in dragons. What does this say about my beliefs? Are they locked, are they subject to change, and how reliable are they? At one point, we believed we were the center of the universe. So much for the bedrock of beliefs.

 

[edgray]

But based on what? Not picking on you, just philosophical speaking, life is like being stuck in your house with no windows. Death or our perception of death is like the world outside of your house. How can we to make any judgments about what is out there? It's like saying because I can't see, taste, or feel it, there is nothing there. Maybe there is nothing, but I don't think it's a safe bet to say because we can't see what is outside, there is nothing there.

If you limit your thinking to what you can observe such as an animal dies and it is no more, then you could be confident of your beliefs, but if you consider the possibilities of souls or parallel universes, then it is not such a nice tidy easily understood package.

Most people are so willing to believe in God based on faith, but the problem is that they lock themselves into heaven and hell as described by established religions. If they can go with the "GOD" based on faith, they should be able to consider other possibilities.

not a problem at all.

it's nice to wonder what happens, but science (the understanding of the natural world) has yet to find a single shred of evidence for the supernatural world. The supernatural world would include the afterlife.

I could never say for 100% that there's nothing there. But I'll stand by 99.9%. Of course there's no way to prove it either way.

 

[Minor Axis]

Of course there's no way to prove it either way.

The key words. BTW, I don't blame anyone who limits their beliefs to what is provable. I'm not saying I believe in an afterlife, but something inside me wants there to be one, because from a philosophical standpoint, if there isn't something afterwords, what is the point of living? True, there could be absolutely no point, but my brain wants there to be a point. Interesting enough all of this conjecture has no bearing what so ever on the odds I am right or wrong. Isn't that enough to sit and ponder the possible meaning of life? :humm:

 

[edgray]

The key words. BTW, I don't blame anyone who limits their beliefs to what is provable. I'm not saying I believe in an afterlife, but something inside me wants there to be one, because from a philosophical standpoint, if there isn't something afterwords, what is the point of living? True, there could be absolutely no point, but my brain wants there to be a point. Interesting enough all of this conjecture has no bearing what so ever on the odds I am right or wrong.

I don't think that believing only in provable things is limiting. Quite the opposite, I would consider it enlightening. Believing in something that's not provable is completely pointless. No offense intended, but really, if something isn't provable, it's completely fictional, therefore what's the point in believing in it?

But that's a rather depressing outlook you have. I would say knowing there's nothing after this life is liberating enough to make you want to enjoy life as much as possible. What's the point in waiting for the next, non-existent life? Live now, I say! You only get 1 life, make the most of it

 

[Minor Axis]

I don't think that believing only in provable things is limiting. Quite the opposite, I would consider it enlightening. Believing in something that's not provable is completely pointless. No offense intended, but really, if something isn't provable, it's completely fictional, therefore what's the point in believing in it?

There is much scientific research going on regarding things that can't currently be proven. Scientists do not limit themselves to what is all ready proven otherwise, there would be nothing to research.

But that's a rather depressing outlook you have. I would say knowing there's nothing after this life is liberating enough to make you want to enjoy life as much as possible. What's the point in waiting for the next, non-existent life? Live now, I say! You only get 1 life, make the most of it

You are assuming I'm waiting. Your mistake.

 

[edgray]

There is much scientific research going on regarding things that can't currently be proven. Scientists do not limit themselves to what is all ready proven otherwise, there would be nothing to try to prove.

No there is zero research going on into things that can't currently be proven. There is theorising, like in subatomic physics and so forth, but there isn't any research, not by any credible scientist, into matters that cannot be proven.

You're confusing cannot be proven with currently unproven. Unproven is very different to cannot be proven.

You are assuming I'm waiting. Your mistake.

Good to hear! Life is joyous! Enjoy!

 

[Minor Axis]

No there is zero research going on into things that can't currently be proven. There is theorising, like in subatomic physics and so forth, but there isn't any research, not by any credible scientist, into matters that cannot be proven.

You're confusing cannot be proven with currently unproven. Unproven is very different to cannot be proven.

I'm not confused, maybe I could have said it better, but yes, partially what you said. When a scientist sits down to create a new medication, he does not know if he will be able to create it or not, until it happens. The cure for the common cold has been going on for at least 60 years. Have they proven it's possible?

(I guess we are supposed to talk about God breaking his own commandments, sorry, GIA...)

 

[dkwrtw]

The key word is if, so what conclusion can be reached?

I cannot reach any conclusion, I answered the question posed in the thread, IF God exists(I have no Idea) then he can do whatever he wants, he doesn't have to follow his own commandments if he doesn't want to.

 

[mazHur]

Catch the present moment
before it is gone!
who knows what future is
let the dog have his bone!!

 

[Codrus]

Oh My Cod....

look i dont know where you shit stirers are in this debate...dont really give a shit either,..but as i have been enrolled in several different private religiously based learning establishments i will offer my two cents.

According to the bible god put forth his laws (the commandments) for his worshipers/followers/minions/devotees...what have you, to follow, nowhere in the bible does it state whether vaguely or clearly that god does or should follow those laws nor does it state that those laws/commandments pertain to his half breed mexican son Hey-sues (jesus) ...diplomatic immunity??...no, and yes the bible as a whole is a wonderful STORY...but so is "Alices adventures in wonderland", both riddled with improbabilities with one being just as believable as the other.

so in conlusion,..if i believed that the"God of Abraham" truly existed,..and i followed those teachings,..then i would have to say no,..gods own laws do not apply to him/her seeing as how he/she would be the one and only man/woman upstairs with no-one to answer to if he broke said laws..to think otherwise would bring up another flaw in Christianity

 

[Minor Axis]

so in conlusion,..if i believed that the"God of Abraham" truly existed,..and i followed those teachings,..then i would have to say no,..gods own laws do not apply to him/her seeing as how he/she would be the one and only man/woman upstairs with no-one to answer to if he broke said laws..to think otherwise would bring up another flaw in Christianity

So you went to a private religious institution and then decided to throw in the towel on religion??

So should we respect an imaginary God who makes up laws he does not consider following himself? I mean we are his children, made in his image. What gives?

 

[Greatest I am]

if this god fellow exists then he doesn't have to follow SHIT, he runs the show, he is above the law.

If He existed and we were relevant to Him, He would be here and there would be no doubt and 16,000 of us would not need to starve to death daily.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Can we stop Him if He does????

I can. Let Him have the balls to try me.

If He is like His rules and laws then He will be child's play to beat.

If not, my wife will make him sorry He ever showed His face on earth.

She does not like genocidal maniacs either.

Regards
DL