Did man land on the moon?

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Here's a cool link for ya PT:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/LEM-GNCStudyGuide.pdf

It has mockups of the actual control panels. Page 3 shows the gauge with the % Thrust on it. Page 19 shows the selector switch for either automatic or manual throttle.

Here's a diagram that shows the Thrust Translation Controller
http://www.fi.edu/pieces/schutte/moonpics/Lmcontrols2.jpg

And here's another great article explaining why they needed to control the thrust:
LM News Reference: Guidance, Navigation and Control

During the descent phase, the LM must be slowed (braked) to place it in a transfer orbit from which it can make a soft landing on the lunar surface. To accomplish braking, descent engine thrust is controllable so that the precise velocity (feet per second) necessary to alter the vehicle's trajectory can be achieved. For a soft landing on the lunar surface, the weight of the LM must be matched by an upward force so that a state of equilibrium exists, and from this point, the descent engine is shut off and the LM free falls to the lunar surface. The thrust of the descent engine provides this upward force, and since the weight of the vehicle is a variable (due to consumption of expendables) this is another reason why the magnitude of the engine thrust is controllable. In addition, the center of gravity is also variable and the thrust must be such that it is in line with the LM center of gravity. This is accomplished by gimbaling (tilting) the descent engine.
 

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Here's a cool link for ya PT:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/LEM-GNCStudyGuide.pdf

It has mockups of the actual control panels. Page 3 shows the gauge with the % Thrust on it. Page 19 shows the selector switch for either automatic or manual throttle.

Here's a diagram that shows the Thrust Translation Controller
http://www.fi.edu/pieces/schutte/moonpics/Lmcontrols2.jpg

And here's another great article explaining why they needed to control the thrust:
LM News Reference: Guidance, Navigation and Control


It really is amazing that they had this technology back then, and are now trying to develope the technology now.

Rocket Tests Move NASA Closer To The Lunar Vision
 

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It really is amazing that they had this technology back then, and are now trying to develope the technology now.

Rocket Tests Move NASA Closer To The Lunar Vision
It's not the same technology. This is MUCH more advanced, as stated in your article.

The Apollo landers used hypergolic propellants, meaning it was two liquids that ignite when they come in contact. At the time it was pretty revolutionary, but now it's "old news".

Your article is about cryogenic propulsion, which is the new fad in rocket designs. It's still very much in the testing phase. To the best of my knowledge, no rocket has actually even flown using cryogenic propellants.

I'm not a rocket scientist, and I'm sure Evan could probably elaborate quite a bit more, but it's not even close to the same technology.
 

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It's not the same technology. This is MUCH more advanced, as stated in your article.

The Apollo landers used hypergolic propellants, meaning it was two liquids that ignite when they come in contact. At the time it was pretty revolutionary, but now it's "old news".

Your article is about cryogenic propulsion, which is the new fad in rocket designs. It's still very much in the testing phase. To the best of my knowledge, no rocket has actually even flown using cryogenic propellants.

I'm not a rocket scientist, and I'm sure Evan could probably elaborate quite a bit more, but it's not even close to the same technology.

Do you think that will convince him now?
 

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Again, apples and oranges.



Apollo didn't have that problem because it wasn't a cryogenic propellant system.

This is an entirely different technical hurdle.


Again. I'm not talking about the technology, but rather the end result.

Besides, you just pointed out a very good reason why the technology from the 60's is better than what they are developing now.
 
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