Atheists Better Educated? NEVER!

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The higher the education, the less belief in god. High school graduates believed more than someone who is a postgraduate from university, that's how I'm seeing it anywho. I don't doubt it either, postgraduate study, particularly Masters are competitive and hard to attain.
Excellent eample of how we read the statistics. As I said....MORE still believe than dont...so the OP of "Atheists are better educated" makes no sense in relation to the percentages posted.

So, how does what I;ve bolded prove that atheists are better educated?



Yes, you can read it the way you did too....but in no way does it read (by those statistics anyway) that athesits are better educated, because, 71% of Postgraduates believe...therefore you COULD say Religious people are better educated.;)

Do you see?..and as I said...it doesnt tell us what the other 29% does or doesnt believe...they may not even be atheists. (Or does it tell us and I've missed it)
 
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Excellent eample of how we read the statistics. As I said....MORE still believe than dont...so the OP of "Atheists are better educated" makes no sense in relation to the percentages posted.

So, how does what I;ve bolded prove that atheists are better educated?



Yes, you can read it the way you did too....but in no way does it read (by those statistics anyway) that athesits are better educated, because, 71% of Postgraduates believe...therefore you COULD say Religious people are better educated.;)

Do you see?..and as I said...it doesnt tell us what the other 29% does or doesnt believe...they may not even be atheists. (Or does it tell us and I've missed it)

Take a minute and watch the video again. Better yet, go read the article they are discussing.
They are not talking about atheists being smarter in general. The study was done to see how educated people were with regards to the worlds religions.
With that being the case, it makes perfect sense that atheists scored better. An atheist will know more about the different religions than those who believe theirs is the true one. An atheist will look at all of religions and what they believe when say a christian will tend to look at his own.

Now does this make more sense?
 

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Take a minute and watch the video again. Better yet, go read the article they are discussing.
They are not talking about atheists being smarter in general. The study was done to see how educated people were with regards to the worlds religions.
With that being the case, it makes perfect sense that atheists scored better. An atheist will know more about the different religions than those who believe theirs is the true one. An atheist will look at all of religions and what they believe when say a christian will tend to look at his own.

Now does this make more sense?
It doesn't take an atheist to take in the full spectrum....
 

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It doesn't take an atheist to take in the full spectrum....

You are right, but when you are a religious person, you stick with your beliefs. A christian parent isn't going to teach their kids about Mormons or Jehovah witnesses for the most part. So you grow up knowing what you lived.
 

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Take a minute and watch the video again. Better yet, go read the article they are discussing.
They are not talking about atheists being smarter in general. The study was done to see how educated people were with regards to the worlds religions.
With that being the case, it makes perfect sense that atheists scored better. An atheist will know more about the different religions than those who believe theirs is the true one. An atheist will look at all of religions and what they believe when say a christian will tend to look at his own.

Now does this make more sense?

Yes, it does. I admit I didnt watch it. My posts were mainly directed at BornReadys statistics he posted.

The Thread title is STILL misleading and wrong though.;)
 

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Do you see?..and as I said...it doesnt tell us what the other 29% does or doesnt believe...they may not even be atheists. (Or does it tell us and I've missed it)

You're right. The 29% includes everyone who doesn't believe in God which would include atheists, agnostics and spiritualists. If you want to look at just atheists then 5% of high school graduates and 9% of postgraduates are atheists. But still, the more educated you are the more likely you are to be an atheist.

What the statistics show is if you picked a thousand people at random and divided them into believers on one side and unbelievers on the other. Then picked someone at random from each side. The unbeliever is more likely to be a postgraduate than the believer. Another way to say that is unbelievers are better educated than believers in general.

Would there be postgraduates on the believer side? Absolutely! 71% of postgraduates are believers.

Again, none of this proves anything about the existence of God. And none of this is rocket science either. A college education normally doesn't boost one's faith. In fact, some fundamentalists are leary of college for that reason.
 

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The statistics caught my eye. I've seen those a lot, and am one. I'm agnostic and consider myself above average on smarts. Something I've noticed to is that the more time someone has been alive, the more they believe in something unknown. A power or whatever, be it god or not. I don't have statistics to back that up. Just always makes me wonder what they've seen and been through to make them feel the way they do about life.
 

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I just found a nice article on the correlation between intelligence and atheism. There is a negative correlation between intelligence and atheism, which means as intelligence goes up, belief in a god goes down.

It also has some interesting things in it. It mentions how that over the past century or two, older generations did not have the abstract categorical and hypothetical thinking (ACH) as much as younger generations do now. They may have learned this type of thinking from education in school, from whatever science they had, but never needed to use it much, as life was more concerned with practicality.

One sociologist - P. Zuckerman, based on estimates from several international studies, deduced that there are "58 times as many atheists as there are Mormons, 41 times as many atheists as there are Jews, 35 times as many atheists as there are Sikhs, and twice as many atheists as there are Jews", atheism ain't rare.
Approximately 90% of studies ever conducted on this specific area have found the same results - the negative correlation of intelligence and belief in god, as I wrote before. This article also, from another resource, says that there is also a negative correlation with age and belief in god (as they get older, belief in a god decreases).

A series of studies by James Leuba in his works in the 20th century, he reported that "scientists were irreligious". But when these studies were replicated by Edward Larson and Larry Witham, the trend found has "reached its asymptote" at 7% - 7% of "elite scientists, such as those in the National Academy of Science" are believers in a god (whether they subscribe to an organised religion is not mentioned). This just shows the reduction, and my oh my, next time someone says scientists believe in god, they can take this mouthful ;)

Anyway...studies were conducted in Russia in some "liberated" parts of the then Soviet Union, in illiterate communities. These communities actually NEVER used abstract categorical and hypothetical thinking (ACH), they were quite estranged to it and did not see it as useful.
Science encourages the development of ACH thinking, and then we become true skeptics, "not mere scoffers of the foibles of others". Science has an advantage over other forms of understanding when being questioned/critiqued by itself/own methods because it itself is based on ACH thinking, as opposed especially to "religious modes of thought".

The thing that ties this article all together is the Flynn Effect:
The Flynn effect describes an increase in the average intelligence quotient (IQ) test scores over generations (IQ gains over time). Similar improvements have been reported for other cognitions such as semantic and episodic memory.
From Wiki, which got their definition from another scholarly article I can't be bothered typing out.

Hope you all find this interesting! I have the link, but I don't think it will work for you guys because I only have access to the site cause I'm a student, ya know.
 

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I can answer things more coherently than you, you only quote scientists not yourself.

lol you never answer anything, let alone answering it coherently. By your own admission, you don't bother reading other people's posts, so how can you even contemplate answering anything?

Oh, and where exactly did I quote a scientist? Not exactly anything wrong with that, we get knowledge about the world from others, experts in their fields, because it's impossible to do all of the research necessary to have a rounded view of the natural world. That was a pretty idiotic stance there.
 

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lol you never answer anything, let alone answering it coherently. By your own admission, you don't bother reading other people's posts, so how can you even contemplate answering anything?

Oh, and where exactly did I quote a scientist? Not exactly anything wrong with that, we get knowledge about the world from others, experts in their fields, because it's impossible to do all of the research necessary to have a rounded view of the natural world. That was a pretty idiotic stance there.

I think you like the sound of your own ego, as someone has already stated here, and please tell your otz gf to stop ranting to me :thumbup
 

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I think you like the sound of your own ego, as someone has already stated here, and please tell your otz gf to stop ranting to me :thumbup

One day you know you could actually try addressing a post, getting involved in an intellectual debate. Might broaden your horizons somewhat.
 

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One day you know you could actually try addressing a post, getting involved in an intellectual debate. Might broaden your horizons somewhat.

As if you have come up with something interesting, name me one thing you have come up with anything interesting...can't name one really, all it is hate towards people who are better off than you, and that stupid ego you have, I really can't see what Kinny sees in you personally, but neither do I care either. You two make the perfect odd couple for what it is worth
 

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The statistics caught my eye. I've seen those a lot, and am one. I'm agnostic and consider myself above average on smarts. Something I've noticed to is that the more time someone has been alive, the more they believe in something unknown. A power or whatever, be it god or not. I don't have statistics to back that up. Just always makes me wonder what they've seen and been through to make them feel the way they do about life.

maybe it's more a case of being closer to death that they want to believe in something afterwards?
 

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As if you have come up with something interesting, name me one thing you have come up with anything interesting...can't name one really, all it is hate towards people who are better off than you, and that stupid ego you have, I really can't see what Kinny sees in you personally, but neither do I care either. You two make the perfect odd couple for what it is worth

oh. my. god.

I'm worried your outright lunacy might be digitally contagious.

:willy_nilly:
 

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You can always tell when someone has lost a debate when they refuse to address any of the points being said and instead resort to throwing personal remarks around which have nothing to do with the argument.
 
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