JMilley said:
AtlanticBlue99 said:
i am agnostic because i have found an equal amount of defensive proof that religion (the old testament of the bible) did and does exist. now the corruption in religion is out of play here, i am just basing my belief on facts backed by science. the future is in science and the past is in faith. with knowledge, blind faith and trust is not needed, but religion is always a fall back crutch... until i observe more proof to sway my opinion, i rest as agnostic.
how can you not see God in todays world? this place was born out of nothing, and the scientists believe that a slightest miscalculation of what happened to create the universe would have made it a thin mist. so you would rather believe than the world was made as a one in a billion card...
science and religion tell the same story in different languages.
how much research have you done on string theory, evolution of time measurement itself and mass collapses inward into an infinitely small point, and the expansion rate of the universe? do you understand the calculus to the formulas derived in quantum mechanics and in the theory of relativity?
if so, apply these formulas to the the estimated universal mass (including dark matter) and see how these formulas break down just seconds in time at the creation of the universe (really measured as billions of years now) and you will see how the theory of relativity breaks down at such a small size point and the theory of quantum mechanics breaks down with such a large mass.
at this exact point (the 6 days fo creation of the universe) all science breaks down, but string theory may be a portal into unifying science to understand what happens to matter at this exact point in time dubbed the creation of the universe as the "big bang"
did god create the big bang? here is an explanation that i follow mathematically and believe to be the most accurate:
Israeli Physicist Gerald Schroeder said:
Each of the six days in Schroeder's Genesis actually takes a different length of earth time. The duration D, in earth days, of each cosmic day t is calculated from the formula D = (Ao/L)exp(-Lt), where Ao = 4x1012 (the ratio of the frequencies of the cosmic microwave background at quark confinement compared to now) and L = 0.693 (natural log of 2). More simply, cosmic day one is 8 billion earth years long and you divide by two to get the duration of each succeeding cosmic day.
Cosmic day one starts 15.75 billion earth years ago and covers the creation of the universe, the "breaking free" of light as electrons bind to atomic nuclei, and the beginning of galaxy formation. This is described in Gen. 1:1-5 as the creation followed by light separating from the darkness.
Cosmic day two starts 7.75 billion earth years ago and lasts four billion earth years. During this period the stars and galaxies are born. This corresponds to Gen. 1:6-8, the formation of the heavenly firmament.
Cosmic day three starts 3.75 billion earth years ago. During two billion earth years, the earth cools, water appears, and the first life forms appear. In Gen. 1:9-13, vegetation first appears during the third day.
Cosmic day four starts 1.75 billion earth years ago and lasts a billion earth years. The earth's atmosphere becomes transparent and photosynthesis produces an oxygen-rich atmosphere. Schroeder says that this corresponds to Gen. 1:14-19 when "the Sun, Moon, and stars become visible in the heavens" (67).
Cosmic day five starts 750 million earth years ago and lasts 500 million earth years. During this period, the first multicellular animals appear and the oceans swarm with life. Gen. 1:20-23 says the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures and "birds fly above the earth" (94).
Cosmic day six starts 250 million years ago and ends at the time of Adam. During this period we have a massive extinction in which 90 percent of life is destroyed and then repopulated with humanoids and humans. This, Schroeder says, corresponds to what is described in Gen. 1:24-31.
Technically, Schroeder's formula gives the present as the end of the sixth day. However, it could just as well have ended a few thousand years ago and not affect the rest of the calculation where things are rounded off at hundreds of millions of years. Schroeder argues that after the six cosmic days of creation, Genesis switches its focus over to humanity and starts measuring time in human terms. The rest of the Bible concerns itself with the 6,000 earth years since Adam and Eve, estimated from the Bible in Bishop Ussher fashion.
dispute this mathematical claim with other evidence and sway my view.
i have donated years of study to the creation of the universe and have found an equal amount of support for and against religion- so i chose to wait for more evidence to sway my view. religion keeps the peace of the lower class (no offense to the lower class) and aristotle believed that religion would tame and control the non-intelligent and often belligerent lower class, while the educated upper class needed no religion because math and science could prove the workings of the viewable and conceivable universe. prove me wrong...
