Pampered Prisoners

[UncleBacon]

you don't to get me started on what I think prison should be like

 

[memento_mori]

which of course makes me ask, how do you think prisoners should be treated?

 

[All Else Failed]

So it's elderly people's fault that they can't afford air conditioning but prisoners have a right to it?

If the government is going to run something, it has to do it correctly. Its not the government's responsibility to provide everyone AC that needs it, but they have to require it in their facilities.

 

[dt3]

Then thats their bad. If a government facility is going to house people for a extended period of time, the conditions must be humane. Just because they committed a crime does not make them any less a humane being.

But we freely admit they lose their rights when they go to prison (for instance, the right to vote).

 

[dt3]

I think air conditioning should be allowed. Leaving prisoners to swelter inside of inhumane conditions isn't right.

Plus, there are people in prison for rather minor charges, why subjugate them to the same conditions you would subjugate a murderer to?

Uh yeah, its naturally hotter in Iraq, but soldiers have ways of getting out of the heat. Its more often than not that prisoners don't.

No, there's not We worked in a "van" roughly equivalent to half of a semi-trailer that had 2 big industrial AC's pumping into it and it was underneath 2 layers of cammie netting for shade. The temperature inside still wouldn't go below 85 in the dead of night during the summer.

 

[dt3]

Then thats their bad. If a government facility is going to house people for a extended period of time, the conditions must be humane. Just because they committed a crime does not make them any less a humane being.

You don't want to know the number of times I've been told living in the barracks in Virginia in the summer when the AC breaks that "AC is a luxury". If they can tell me to suck it the fuck up, what do I care about some asshole who can't even follow the law?

 

[UncleBacon]

You don't want to know the number of times I've been told living in the barracks in Virginia in the summer when the AC breaks that "AC is a luxury". If they can tell me to suck it the fuck up, what do I care about some asshole who can't even follow the law?

right there with you on that...I hated living in the barracks....

 

[UncleBacon]

I do believe the punishment should fit the crime....the harder the crime the harder the time....

 

[All Else Failed]

But we freely admit they lose their rights when they go to prison (for instance, the right to vote).

Um, we are all born with certain basic rights.

 

[Sneakiecat]

Air conditioning and cable TV aren't basic rights.

 

[dt3]

Um, we are all born with certain basic rights.

And in return, the government asks us to follow certain rules. If you can't, then you forfeit those basic rights as far as I'm concerned.

Hell Bacon, isn't bread and water for 3 days still a legal punishment aboard ship?

 

[All Else Failed]

No, there's not We worked in a "van" roughly equivalent to half of a semi-trailer that had 2 big industrial AC's pumping into it and it was underneath 2 layers of cammie netting for shade. The temperature inside still wouldn't go below 85 in the dead of night during the summer.

You still had methods of cooling off though, even if they were not adequate. In some prisons the conditions are deplorable. Look at some of the prisons in the UK for example. Prisoners have rioted because of it.

 

[dt3]

You still had methods of cooling off though, even if they were not adequate.

If they weren't adequate, then obviously we didn't

 

[All Else Failed]

And in return, the government asks us to follow certain rules. If you can't, then you forfeit those basic rights as far as I'm concerned.

Hell Bacon, isn't bread and water for 3 days still a legal punishment aboard ship?

You cant really say that ALL rights are stripped from a person. I don't care who you are, every person has to be treated humanely.

 

[dt3]

You cant really say that ALL rights are stripped from a person. I don't care who you are, every person has to be treated humanely.

Yeah, we gave them the right to a fair trial by their peers.

 

[All Else Failed]

If they weren't adequate, then obviously we didn't

At least the attempt was made. Its not like they just left you to boil in 110 degrees.

 

[All Else Failed]

Yeah, we gave them the right to a fair trial by their peers.

And to be treated as a fellow human being...

 

[Sneakiecat]

The guy who's in the link I posted let the inmates have tents to keep them cool. There's an attempt made.

 

[elluko]

*Gasp* I knew it! James is a convict! That lousy interwebbing jailbird..

 

[dt3]

And to be treated as a fellow human being...

So they should be treated better than they treated their victims?