Will Bain be the Bane of Mitt?

[Minor Axis]

The was the reaction to the Paul Ryan, Mr. Kill Medicare, as the VP choice:

Paul Ryan is the kill Medicare guy. I missed the speech, but in commentary afterwards, I heard that when they mentioned $700 million in medicare cuts, they were booed. Another observation is that if two Democrats who had never served in the military made such an announcement in front of a battleship, they would be roasted by conservatives.

Personally I think Ryan is an excellent choice for the Democrats.

 

[Accountable]

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Mitt-R...As-Vice-Presidential-Candidate/10737432996-2/

Here's the actual speech.

This is the portion you spun, Minor:

"We will help care for those who cannot care for themselves, and we will return work to welfare. As poverty has risen to historic and tragic levels, with nearly one out of six Americans now having fallen into poverty, we will act to bring these families into the middle class. Unlike the current president who has cut Medicare funding by $700 billion, we will preserve and protect Medicare and Social Security. Under the current president, healthcare has only become more expensive. We will reform healthcare so that more Americans have access to affordable healthcare, and we will get that started by repealing and replacing Obamacare."

 

[Accountable]

Another observation is that if two Democrats who had never served in the military made such an announcement in front of a battleship, they would be roasted by conservatives.

No doubt about that.

 

[Minor Axis]

http://www.c-span.org/Events/Mitt-R...As-Vice-Presidential-Candidate/10737432996-2/

Here's the actual speech.

This is the portion you spun, Minor:

"We will help care for those who cannot care for themselves, and we will return work to welfare. As poverty has risen to historic and tragic levels, with nearly one out of six Americans now having fallen into poverty, we will act to bring these families into the middle class. Unlike the current president who has cut Medicare funding by $700 billion, we will preserve and protect Medicare and Social Security. Under the current president, healthcare has only become more expensive. We will reform healthcare so that more Americans have access to affordable healthcare, and we will get that started by repealing and replacing Obamacare."

I did not spin it. This is what was reported, but thanks for correcting. Btw, don't you think it is a bit humorous and disingenuous that you have two Republicans, one Paul Ryan bad mouthing the cuts this Administration has made to Medicare and vowing to protect it, lol. And when Romney fans boo'd the cutting of Medicare regardless of by who, don't you think this is a sign and that Mitt has been on the wrong side of this issue, facing a challenge, especially by picking Mr. Kill Medicare?

 

[Accountable]

I did not spin it. This is what was reported, but thanks for correcting. Btw, don't you think it is a bit humorous and disingenuous that you have two Republicans, one Paul Ryan bad mouthing the cuts this Administration has made to Medicare and vowing to protect it, lol.

Yup. It's just another example that the repubs are no different than the dems. I don't know why you worry about Obamacare. The only real objection the Washington repubs have to it is the name. Remember their mantra: "Repeal And Replace."

 

[Minor Axis]

Yup. It's just another example that the repubs are no different than the dems. I don't know why you worry about Obamacare. The only real objection the Washington repubs have to it is the name. Remember their mantra: "Repeal And Replace."

The real challenge, a realistic way to solve our fiscal problems and keep the playing field level, relatively level for most of our citizens. That's my opinion. My guess is that we would disagree on what a level playing field is and that you don't want any governmental force trying to level anything?

 

[Alien Allen]

The real challenge, a realistic way to solve our fiscal problems and keep the playing field level, relatively level for most of our citizens. That's my opinion. My guess is that we would disagree on what a level playing field is and that you don't want any governmental force trying to level anything?

You bet we would disagree on what a level playing field is

There is no way to have a level playing field. That is a pie in the sky dream of socialists and the radical liberals out there

It never worked before. Why would you expect it to now?

 

[Minor Axis]

You bet we would disagree on what a level playing field is

There is no way to have a level playing field. That is a pie in the sky dream of socialists and the radical liberals out there

It never worked before. Why would you expect it to now?

But there is no reason to reinforce the advantage that those have at the top end of society all ready...

 

[Accountable]

The real challenge, a realistic way to solve our fiscal problems and keep the playing field level, relatively level for most of our citizens. That's my opinion. My guess is that we would disagree on what a level playing field is and that you don't want any governmental force trying to level anything?

I don't want a level playing field. You & yours seem to want equal results, regardless of effort or input. I don't want that, either. I want an open playing field, one without anyone running interference unfairly.

But there is no reason to reinforce the advantage that those have at the top end of society all ready...

Absolutely! But the answer isn't to inject even more gov't involvement, but removing the protections the gov't is giving them. What's happening now (I'm talking action, not rhetoric) is that Washington is setting up unfair advantages to the biggest businesses by insulating them from risk while regulating their competition out of existence, and using tax revenue to create the greatest dependency on gov't services in our nation's history, which encourages mediocrity at best, sloth at worst.

The answer is in removing protections from international corporations (the corportate sponsors) which forces them to pay attention to their customer base & competition - and may actually cause some to collapse or at least break into pieces. And in returning to a more Clintonesque welfare scheme, with real deadlines and limits.

The playing field has been made TOO smooth & level for the big boys, and the bench has been made too comfortable for the little ones.

 

[Minor Axis]

I don't want a level playing field.

I don't think you guys understand what level playing field means. You seem to think it's a dirty phrase. It means that opportunities are equal, not everyone is made to be equal. And if you are worried about the latter I think there is ample evidence that as a group we are far from equal and there is no sign that we all be made equal in any time in the near future. Even if you take more from the wealthy they are still far above the average.

 

[Accountable]

I don't think you guys understand what level playing field means. You seem to think it's a dirty phrase.

Thank you. Those two simple words convey a respect that I appreciate.

As for the rest of your post, I addressed that and several other points in my previous post that you seem to have ignored after reading the first sentence.

 

[Alien Allen]

one thing which would help give people an equal chance is education

not sure how you do it but if everybody had the same quality education growing up it should help

but that also would require accountability. from parents making sure their kids go to school and to school officials providing that education.

 

[Minor Axis]

one thing which would help give people an equal chance is education

not sure how you do it but if everybody had the same quality education growing up it should help

but that also would require accountability. from parents making sure their kids go to school and to school officials providing that education.

I agree that education is the great equalizer or could be. How do you feel about some comments coming out of conservative corners that sound like they want to get rid of public education? Should college kids be coming out of college with $100K+ in loans to be paid? It is such a weight to carry and one reason why medical costs are up, or no?

 

[Minor Axis]

Coal Miners Lost Pay When Mitt Visited to Promote Coal Jobs. Funny, no?

The Pepper Pike company that owns the Century Mine told workers that attending the Aug. 14 Romney event would be both mandatory and unpaid, a top company official said Monday morning in a West Virginia radio interview.

 

[Accountable]

I agree that education is the great equalizer or could be. How do you feel about some comments coming out of conservative corners that sound like they want to get rid of public education? Should college kids be coming out of college with $100K+ in loans to be paid? It is such a weight to carry and one reason why medical costs are up, or no?

Federal financial assistance is the primary reason college tuition is up. It is also the primary reason medical costs will skyrocket in the next few years.

 

[Tim]

Federal financial assistance is the primary reason college tuition is up. It is also the primary reason medical costs will skyrocket in the next few years.

How do you figure that?

 

[Accountable]

How do you figure that?

It's a natural effect. College tuition acts just like any other part of the market. Suppliers will charge what demand is willing to pay. When there is more money available, prices naturally go up. The fingers that hold the purse strings in Washington don't have the strength (or even inclination) to close the purse, and the purse is bottomless, for all intents and purposes. Virtually unlimited funding means virtually unlimited demand of a very limited product. Prices naturally soar.



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http://globalhighered.wordpress.com...international-education-to-the-united-states/

One possible solution might be to increase/maintain the rate of increase in tuition for international students while drastically decreasing or eliminating federal aid (especially since it takes creative interpretation to find constitutional grounds for the expenditure in the first place). Colleges would be pressured to lower domestic tuition to more reasonable levels or face massive drops in enrollment.

 

[Minor Axis]

Huntington Post:
Mitt Romney Criticized By Franciscan Friars For Comments On The Poor

WASHINGTON-- The Franciscan Action Network (FAN), a Catholic faith-based advocacy and civic engagement organization, is strongly criticizing Mitt Romney's recent ads and rhetoric regarding welfare programs and welfare recipients, urging him to spend some time in low-income communities.

"Our Christian tradition teaches that we are to treat the poor with dignity and to prioritize the poor in our policies as a society," the organization said in a press release on Thursday. "At a time when millions are struggling financially, it is degrading to talk about the 'dependency' of people hurting in this economy, as Gov. Romney did recently."

 

[Accountable]

Wow, who'da thunk that the Franciscans would brag about shunting their sworn responsibility off onto self-possessed politicians.

 

[Dana]