Why do you believe in God?

[luc154]

I don't believe them. There is no proof for any of them so I believe none! That doesn't answer my question though.

If you don't believe them then don't. What can I do about that?

 

[gillibean]

If you don't believe them then don't. What can I do about that?

I never asked you to do anything about my beliefs. I would however appreciate it if you'd answer my questions.

 

[Obdurate]

I think he did answer your question, if I understand his thought process at all. I reserve the right to be wrong here.

His answer was:
If you believe them, why don't you try them out?

I take that as him telling you that it just is, for him. He took in Jesus. That's why his is right, because it's right for him.
And you're encouraged to believe what you want as well for the same reasons. You could take in Allah if you wanted. Whatever is right for you.

Or I could be wrong and he was just avoiding your question and I could just be giving him too much credit. I didn't actually read the previous page so I don't have the proper context. Just consider it.

 

[pladecalvo]

Jesus.

Luc,

There is a very simple way for you to prove your faith in god . When you have finished your computer session today, instead of turning it off at the switch, simply pray to god to keep you safe and then cut through the cable with a pair of uninsulated scissors. In case you do feel inclined to demonstrate this proof, may I say goodbye now, and it has been interesting discussing things with you.

 

[Cajun Fox]

None of you have evidence that God exists...it's like watching a bunch of idiots saying annoying things on a broken record.

"I say this. I say that. I'm right. Praise thy lord! Wash away your sins!" Repeat the process...

Damnit, say something useful to the discussion for once. Give us a real picture of God making miracles all around the world...something to work with here. Enough of the stupid lies of how God is the holy light and shit...and he can do anything with his hands tied behind his back. That's bullcrap. ANYBODY can say something, but without proof...your arguments are worthless and idiotic.

 

[pladecalvo]

None of you have evidence that God exists...it's like watching a bunch of idiots saying annoying things on a broken record.

"I say this. I say that. I'm right. Praise thy lord! Wash away your sins!" Repeat the process...

Damnit, say something useful to the discussion for once. Give us a real picture of God making miracles all around the world...something to work with here. Enough of the stupid lies of how God is the holy light and shit...and he can do anything with his hands tied behind his back. That's bullcrap. ANYBODY can say something, but without proof...your arguments are worthless and idiotic.

Hey Cajun!! You wanna talk about miracles...haven't you ever heard of Lourdes? In the 146 years since Lourdes became a shrine the Christian god has worked 66 (alleged) miracles there.

Mind you there are 6,000,000 visitors a year to Lourdes who are all earnestly praying for a cure... but the loving, compassionate Christian miracle man has only seen fit to cure 66 of the faithful. Now let's see:

6,000,000 per year times x 146 years = 876,000,000 people.
66 miracles divided into 876,000,000 people

...that works out at...ummm...(scratches head)....something like a 1 in 8,000,000 chance of being cured by a 'miracle' at Lourdes. :24:

What more are you expecting from an omnipotent deity Cajun??? Anyone would think that Jesus had promised that he would give you anything if you prayed for it...whoops!.....he did didn't he. Wonder when he's going t keep his promise.

 

[Minor Axis]

Luc,

There is a very simple way for you to prove your faith in god . When you have finished your computer session today, instead of turning it off at the switch, simply pray to god to keep you safe and then cut through the cable with a pair of uninsulated scissors. In case you do feel inclined to demonstrate this proof, may I say goodbye now, and it has been interesting discussing things with you.

This test would be misplaced faith in God and unfortunately this does not prove or disprove the existence of God.

None of you have evidence that God exists...it's like watching a bunch of idiots saying annoying things on a broken record.

"I say this. I say that. I'm right. Praise thy lord! Wash away your sins!" Repeat the process...

Damnit, say something useful to the discussion for once. Give us a real picture of God making miracles all around the world...something to work with here. Enough of the stupid lies of how God is the holy light and shit...and he can do anything with his hands tied behind his back. That's bullcrap. ANYBODY can say something, but without proof...your arguments are worthless and idiotic.

I would not go as far to say religious peoples' arguments are idiotic, they are just faith based reasoning, totally based on faith, totally lacking in any objective criteria. And it makes them feel good to know someone is around to take care of them, whether it be imagined or real, they still feel good. It's very understandable that so many people fall into this method of thinking.

 

[Obdurate]

None of you have evidence that God exists...it's like watching a bunch of idiots saying annoying things on a broken record.

"I say this. I say that. I'm right. Praise thy lord! Wash away your sins!" Repeat the process...

Damnit, say something useful to the discussion for once. Give us a real picture of God making miracles all around the world...something to work with here. Enough of the stupid lies of how God is the holy light and shit...and he can do anything with his hands tied behind his back. That's bullcrap. ANYBODY can say something, but without proof...your arguments are worthless and idiotic.

Do you feel better about yourself now?

 

[Peter Parka]

Hey Cajun!! You wanna talk about miracles...haven't you ever heard of Lourdes? In the 146 years since Lourdes became a shrine the Christian god has worked 66 (alleged) miracles there.

Mind you there are 6,000,000 visitors a year to Lourdes who are all earnestly praying for a cure... but the loving, compassionate Christian miracle man has only seen fit to cure 66 of the faithful. Now let's see:

6,000,000 per year times x 146 years = 876,000,000 people.
66 miracles divided into 876,000,000 people

...that works out at...ummm...(scratches head)....something like a 1 in 8,000,000 chance of being cured by a 'miracle' at Lourdes. :24:

What more are you expecting from an omnipotent deity Cajun??? Anyone would think that Jesus had promised that he would give you anything if you prayed for it...whoops!.....he did didn't he. Wonder when he's going t keep his promise.

I think I'll stick to the national lottery, more chance of hitting the jackpot there!

 

[pladecalvo]

This test would be misplaced faith in God and unfortunately this does not prove or disprove the existence of God.

Aw! Come on dude...where's your sense of humour?

I would not go as far to say religious peoples' arguments are idiotic, they are just faith based reasoning, totally based on faith, totally lacking in any objective criteria. And it makes them feel good to know someone is around to take care of them, whether it be imagined or real, they still feel good. It's very understandable that so many people fall into this method of thinking

I wouldn't disagree with that but it sure does piss me off when they claim that what they believe through their faith is in fact, the truth...sorry that should have been Truth.

 

[Minor Axis]

Aw! Come on dude...where's your sense of humour?

Oh, it was hiding under the armoire. :ninja.

 

[pladecalvo]

Armoire indeed!! Don't get posh with me fella....writing desk will do just fine!

 

[Goat Whisperer]

*Bored of this thread* How did we get to 31 pages on this topic?

 

[Obdurate]

Aw! Come on dude...where's your sense of humour?


I wouldn't disagree with that but it sure does piss me off when they claim that what they believe through their faith is in fact, the truth...sorry that should have been Truth.

It sure does piss me off when people treat their science as fact, especially since scientists like to argue amongst themselves and prove each other wrong.



I hope you see what I did there.

Edit: Hell, you know what? I thought about this for a minute and I've decided it pisses me off that people, in debates, like to treat their sides as fact. Godammit, y'know, I hate when people do ANYTHING AT ALL. I hate debates! I hate you all! I hate myself!

 

[GraceAbounds]

It sure does piss me off when people treat their science as fact, especially since scientists like to argue amongst themselves and prove each other wrong.

I hope you see what I did there.

Edit: Hell, you know what? I thought about this for a minute and I've decided it pisses me off that people, in debates, like to treat their sides as fact. Godammit, y'know, I hate when people do ANYTHING AT ALL. I hate debates! I hate you all! I hate myself!

There, there

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Calm down now. It's going to be ok.
































heh!

 

[LiberalVichy]

then the universe, and existance, cannot have come out of nothing.

So 'God' can come out of nothing?
Speaking of something prior or outside of the Universe is nonsensical in the first place. The Universe is everything, by definition.
Rand was alright in some conclusions and general tones, but her views of logic were deeply flawed as were her consequent conclusions. Some better Neo-Aristotilianism can be found in people like George H. Smith who, as it happens, wrote a wonderful primer on logic into his book "Atheism: The Case Against God". I strongly recommend reading it, and consider it just about as open and shut '15 Ways to Disprove Theism in Your Spare Time' as has ever been written.
Really, magic is bullshit and the idea that a magical man not only exists but gives a damn about an obscure dust mote is pretty ridiculous.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

It sure does piss me off when people treat their science as fact, especially since scientists like to argue amongst themselves and prove each other wrong.



I hope you see what I did there.

Edit: Hell, you know what? I thought about this for a minute and I've decided it pisses me off that people, in debates, like to treat their sides as fact. Godammit, y'know, I hate when people do ANYTHING AT ALL. I hate debates! I hate you all! I hate myself!

 

[Cajun Fox]

Hey Cajun!! You wanna talk about miracles...haven't you ever heard of Lourdes? In the 146 years since Lourdes became a shrine the Christian god has worked 66 (alleged) miracles there.

Mind you there are 6,000,000 visitors a year to Lourdes who are all earnestly praying for a cure... but the loving, compassionate Christian miracle man has only seen fit to cure 66 of the faithful. Now let's see:

6,000,000 per year times x 146 years = 876,000,000 people.
66 miracles divided into 876,000,000 people

...that works out at...ummm...(scratches head)....something like a 1 in 8,000,000 chance of being cured by a 'miracle' at Lourdes. :24:

What more are you expecting from an omnipotent deity Cajun??? Anyone would think that Jesus had promised that he would give you anything if you prayed for it...whoops!.....he did didn't he. Wonder when he's going t keep his promise.

Praying is worthless...it's only useful if you have faith in him. I have faith in nothing. You think that if you pray to this imaginary man that he will grant you wishes or some shit like that. Yeah, that makes me a true believer within seconds. That was sarcasm, by the way. Stop pretending he's everyone's hero and he's like a magic genie.

 

[pladecalvo]

*Bored of this thread

What the hell you doing reading it then??

It sure does piss me off when people treat their science as fact, especially since scientists like to argue amongst themselves and prove each other wrong.

That's the beauty of science. It's constantly changing as new evidence comes to light....... unlike religion.

Here's an example for you.

Wellington Grey -- Miscellanea-- science vs faith

I hope you see what I did there.

I can see what you THINK you did.

Praying is worthless...it's only useful if you have faith in him. I have faith in nothing. You think that if you pray to this imaginary man that he will grant you wishes or some shit like that. Yeah, that makes me a true believer within seconds. That was sarcasm, by the way. Stop pretending he's everyone's hero and he's like a magic genie.

Ummm! Maybe you have your wires crossed....I was being sarcastic. You and I are on the same side. :24:

 

[Cajun Fox]

Ummm! Maybe you have your wires crossed....I was being sarcastic. You and I are on the same side.

Get your logic straight before making assumptions that I am an idiot.