Why Do Conservatives Hate America?

[Accountable]

Sorry if I've got it wrong, please correct me as to what I've misunderstood. :thumbup

http://www.offtopicz.net/50245-obama-speech-kiddies.html
http://www.offtopicz.net/50245-obama-speech-kiddies.html#post1249230
http://www.offtopicz.net/50245-obama-speech-kiddies-2.html#post1249242
http://www.offtopicz.net/50245-obama-speech-kiddies-2.html#post1249691

The outrage caused the speech to be changed to what you keep referring to. It wasn't over that speech.

 

[Peter Parka]

http://www.offtopicz.net/50245-obama-speech-kiddies.html
http://www.offtopicz.net/50245-obama-speech-kiddies.html#post1249230
http://www.offtopicz.net/50245-obama-speech-kiddies-2.html#post1249242
http://www.offtopicz.net/50245-obama-speech-kiddies-2.html#post1249691

The outrage caused the speech to be changed to what you keep referring to. It wasn't over that speech.

Oh yes, I see clearly now. Let me quote...

yay indoctrination... I can only imagine what the uproar would've been like if Bush had pulled this shit

As long as its Apolitical (work hard, get good grades, take your vitamins, that sorta BS) I have no issues with it. However, I don't trust Dear Leader Obama to be Apolitical...

It also vaguely resembles the Hitler Youth.

Thats just the first couple of pages, need I go on?

 

[Accountable]

I wish you would. You asked nicely so I went to quite a bit of trouble.

 

[Peter Parka]

Dont want to defend saying your President resembles an anti semite first? No? Thought that would be more than enough to start with? :dunno

 

[Accountable]

Where does your hate come from?

 

[Peter Parka]

Where does your hate come from?

Says the guy who called his President a Nazi! Hello mr kettle, my name is pot. :24:

I was slagged off as an American hater on this forum for a couple of years because I didn't agree with the decisions of your President. Now I'm defending your president, I'm full of hate! Can't win! :surrender

 

[All Else Failed]

It seems like a 17 year old wrote that article that lacks common sense.

 

[kelvin070]

It seems like a 17 year old wrote that article that lacks common sense.

» Columnist & Associate Editor | Eugene Robinson is an Associate Editor and twice-weekly columnist for The Washington Post. His column appears on Tuesdays and Fridays.

In a 25-year career at The Post, Robinson has been city hall reporter, city editor, foreign correspondent in Buenos Aires and London, foreign editor, and assistant managing editor in charge of the paper’s award-winning Style section. In 2005, he started writing a column for the Op-Ed page. He is the author of "Coal to Cream: A Black Man’s Journey Beyond Color to an Affirmation of Race" (1999) and "Last Dance in Havana" (2004).
Source: archive | Staff | washingtonpost.com

 

[kelvin070]

This is another article by him:
No Way to Treat a President
Truthdig - Reports - No Way to Treat a President

 

[Accountable]

It seems like a 17 year old wrote that article that lacks common sense.

Eugene Robinson's been an Obama apologist from day one. I get his column every week via email. This tripe is nothing new.

 

[kelvin070]

Eugene Robinson's been an Obama apologist from day one. I get his column every week via email. This tripe is nothing new.

Aren't you an apologist of someone or something?

 

[Accountable]

Aren't you an apologist of someone or something?

No, or at least I try very hard not to be. I feel very strongly that we should be accountable for our actions, especially those of us in positions of leadership and/or responsibility. They shouldn't need rationalization.

 

[Minor Axis]

Seem to remember on here the Republicans were the ones banging on about how patriotic they were by supporting their president when Bush was in power. Doesn't that mean they are no longer patriotic seeing they want him to fail now? :dunno

They don't really hate their country, just who won the last election. It also means the conservatives are a big tub of opportunistic hypocrites not to imply they have the market totally cornered. During the Iraq war Republicans were all over Dems for being unpatriotic. However, in recent years all the way back to the 1960's, when Democrats were the majority, I don't remember them (the Democratic Party) pinging on conservatives for being unpatriotic when they disagreed on issues..

From the linked article:

Somebody explain this to me: The president of the United States wins the Nobel Peace Prize, and Rush Limbaugh joins with the Taliban in bitterly denouncing the award? Glenn Beck has a conniption fit and demands that the president not accept what may be the world’s most prestigious honor? The Republican National Committee issues a statement sarcastically mocking our nation’s leader—elected, you will recall, by a healthy majority—as unworthy of such recognition?

Yes, someone explain it to me. There is no way to spin this into a reasonable view. It disgusts me.

 

[nova]

Unreasonable view that the award was undeserved? The obama sack riders get more ridiculous by the day.

The nominations were made when he had been in office 11 days. He did nothing in his first eleven days in office that even fits the purview of the Nobel Peace Prize. "Not being George Bush" is not a basis to award the Nobel Peace Prize.

I hate to tell you but the burden of proof is on you guys to show exactly WTF he did to deserve the award. If the award was deserved there has to be some action somewhere and it shouldn't be hard to find...

 

[kelvin070]

I really dont understand you guys. If I am an american I would be proud of my president and my country if my president wins a Nobel prize be it for peace or otherwise even if there is no merit in the award.

 

[Tangerine]

I will be more "proud" of my President and his administration (key words here, as a Presidency is a collective action) when I see some tangible positive accomplishments. I do not hate him. I do not want him to fail. But I will not praise him until he does something praiseworthy. For example, the ending of the "don't ask-don't tell" policy in the military. I'm very glad to know he supports the idea, but he does not deserve credit for giving a speech saying he wants to end it. He gets credit when the policy actually goes away.

As for the Nobel, I have seen others blasting criticism of him receiving the award using Desmond Tutu, MLK and others as comparisons - saying "they were given the prize before their greatest acheivement were completed." The difference is, it was CLEAR what they were fighting for to acheive peace in the world. I have yet to hear Barack Obama put forth a cause for peace that he believes in or set a goal that we can acheive that symbolizes peace. The war in the Middle East would be a great cause, but he is NOT leading us down a path of ending it. If he did, I would agree it could be worthy of a NPP.

 

[nova]

I really dont understand you guys. If I am an american I would be proud of my president and my country if my president wins a Nobel prize be it for peace or otherwise even if there is no merit in the award.

What would you be proud of exactly? The fact that the nobel comittee lost their collective minds?

Like Tang said above me, I'd be proud if the award was given because he did something deserving but "he's not GWB" is not something deserving.

Hell, I'm not a third world warlord, does that mean I deserve a peace prize because I didn't go "a rapin' and a pillagin'"? Not hardly...

 

[kelvin070]

The Nobel Committee is not a bunch of retards.

 

[dt3]

The way I see it, the most important facets of conservatism are being fiscally responsible and providing a strong national defense. Neither one of those things are inherently anti-American, in fact I'd say they're both the complete opposite of anti-American. Therefore, true conservatives don't hate America. I'd consider anybody who advocates substantially increasing our defecit and debt and weakening our military to be blatantly anti-American.

 

[nova]

The Nobel Committee is not a bunch of retards.

Then name the action that they gave him the prize for. Name a single action that he took in his first 11 days in office that are worthy of a Nobel Peace Prize.

That should be an easy thing to do since the actions that warrant a Nobel Peace Prize should be very significant...