Which rules you?

[Carthage]

I didn't take it personal at all bud.

But when I was simply a staff engineer, my job was easy, you brought me a problem, and numbers won....everytime.

Managing people, that takes a different tack, corporate selfishness is the problem with lage corporations now.

People need to be treated with a little more than logic. It's not supernatural.

And I suggest you read The Art of War

I love that book; I've got 5 or 6 different translations. I find it to be an intensely logical (assuming your victory is logical).

 

[Carthage]

Always with my brain. If you let your heart rule before your brain it always gets trampled.

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!:clap

 

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[All Else Failed]

Brain with a little heart. Anyone who says 100% heart is setting themselves up for endless heartbreak.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

I suggest you read "The Virtue of Selfishness" by Ayn Rand. It shows how morality and logic are inseparable. You cannot be moral (objectivistley moral) without logic. When you're about to sign that paper, think about what's going to bring in more profit. That's logic, and it's moral.

Living Logically. I refuse to let half-baked emotions override the reason that I let run my life.

You will learn in time Carthage as you mature that no one extreme works well. That a combination of emotion and logic is often what works best in a general sense.

The thinking one has as a child 2-8 years old, 9-12, 13-20, 21-27, 28-35, 36-45, 46-55 plus each comes with different levels of appreciation of life's emotions and logic along the way. You will understand this better as you mature. $100 bet on that.

 

[Carthage]

Here's a classic example. Logic tells me that you are narrow-minded, unfeeling and incapable of being other than someone who rephrases rote idealistic statements. Logic tells me that your inability to use the emotional side of your personality will make you a lonely and unsatisfied person. That's the logic.

Your logic has a gap. You believe that I am narrow minded - by which, I am assuming, you believe that I don't consider others viewpoints - when, in fact, I do.. I have just rejected them all, because of my logic. Unfeeling - my feelings are a product of my logic. Incapable of being someone... - wrong again. I am not someone who doesn't rephrase rote objectivist idealistic statements. But that doesn't mean I can't become one. Man can always change - that's logical to assume. We are not borne with a personality, so I can change. Lonely and unsatisfied - wrong again. I am sure that there are other people out there whose ideas and feelings are products of their logic, and I imagine we'll be very happy together. It is illogical to assume there is no one else like me.
Your logic is wrong.

My emotion tell me that you're young and feeling the need to spread your wings and voice your own ideas.

Your emotions tell you that? I thought that my posts would have.

And that's beautiful and expected and completely normal for who you are.

Yes, but that is a logical assumption from my posts. You see that I am young and feeling the need, and so it follow that it is normal for who I am (why else would I post it?) and beautiful - achievement is a logical thing, and spreading wings and voicing opinions is a precursor to achievement in some area.

So emotionally, I'll say to you that you can believe what you want and let it work for you now. Each side of this viewpoint shouldn't assume their way is the right way.

This is illogical. It is logical to assume that I can believe what I want - because I am doing it. It is illogical to say neither side of an issue should assume their own right-or-wrong -ness. Each side is either right or wrong on an issue, because of objective reality. I know that I'm right because I side with logic, and therefore, objective reality.

Emotionally, I can say to you that the time will come in your life (and believe me, it will)...when emotion will overwhelm you in some circumstances...and you're going to enjoy and relish every moment of it.

No, that's logical too. I am human, and therefore, can have breaks in my normal philosophy that I don't expect.

 

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[All Else Failed]

no one listen to carthage he's just a Randriod


enough of this "I think you're unique and special and I respect your viewpoint" bullshit because you don't really mean it.

 

[Carthage]

Carthage, that was really well thought out and I appreciate the time you took to consider what I said. Logically, I am impressed by your tenacity. Emotionally, I see you know you are unique and different and have not found someone out there who shares your POV...yet. You might. But what will happen when you find that match - you'll both get emotional about it! I am not saying that you are wrong. You are right about you in your own circumstances, at this point in your life. Just as Ron said, Anyone who says 100% heart is setting themselves up for endless heartbreak, I am telling you that anyone who says 100% brain is setting themselves up for endless loneliness. You will find that out. It's not a bad thing.

Thank you! That means a lot!

no one listen to carthage he's just a Randriod

And I'm the one they call close minded.

enough of this "I think you're unique and special and I respect your viewpoint" bullshit because you don't really mean it.

Are you talking to me about this "unique, special, respect" thing or Breath? If me, then I do mean it, if Breath, I doubt that she isn't being serious - she seems like an incredibly nice person who really means it.

 

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[Carthage]

You are saying that to me? How can you possibly imply that you have any knowledge at all of what I do or do not mean when I reply? I wasn't aware that we were joined at the hip and could read each other's minds. If anything, the fact that I don't often get involved in Debate threads would imply that if I do, I most likely have something that I consider worthwhile to say, i.e....I mean it.

I would + rep you for standing up to him, but I + repped you on the last post, so it's going to be a minute before I can. Sorry!

 

[All Else Failed]

You are saying that to me? How can you possibly imply that you have any knowledge at all of what I do or do not mean when I reply? I wasn't aware that we were joined at the hip and could read each other's minds. If anything, the fact that I don't often get involved in Debate threads would imply that if I do, I most likely have something that I consider worthwhile to say, i.e....I mean it.

It was more of a general statement to the entire forum. I think people are just nice to people here because they fear retribution from mods.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Logically, I want to add something....but Emotionally, I'm drained at this point.

So I'm logically taking an emotional break.



CB
Logically and emotionally drained.

 

[All Else Failed]

Of course, reasons should never be overcome by sheer emotions, imo. ALTHOUGH, emotions can be a nice thing to indulge in when the situation is not serious.

 

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[All Else Failed]

Emotions can't be serious? Don't let Hallmark find out.

No, they can be serious. What I meant was that your emotions shouldn't get in the way of rational thinking when faced with a serious problem.

 

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[Jersey]

WOW! @ the way this thread took a turn

 

[All Else Failed]

For the most part, I agree with that. I do believe that a kind and humanitarian approach does incorporate some emotion in decision making though. I believe compassion has a place, although not a primary place, in all major decisions.

I agree, I'm a humanitarian as well, as long as those emotions don't derail your cause.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

WOW! @ the way this thread took a turn

As it usually does.