What would improve our society?
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No kidding. Some of the "Reality" (which IMO is not really reality) is so disgustingly idiotic that it really makes me ill to think how "popular" they are.
Leananshee
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Abolition of the words "they", "them", and such. "They took our jobs!" has been applied to every wave of immigrants. If Americans didn't hire "them", "they", whoever "they" are wouldn't be here.
I personally really dislike how our society has become polarized, and it seems like moderate voices are drowned out by the more vocal extremes, whether in politics, religion, or philosophy and it seems that our tastes have to be extreme in order to feel anything.
I personally really dislike how our society has become polarized, and it seems like moderate voices are drowned out by the more vocal extremes, whether in politics, religion, or philosophy and it seems that our tastes have to be extreme in order to feel anything.
All Else Failed
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god this argument is so much BS and it has never been true
there are plenty of non-Hispanics that would love to do the "dirty work" right about now, and still do.
Minderella
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If there were, more "non-Hispanics" would have those jobs. *shrugs*.
I hear all the time about people who won't do grunt work because it's beneath them, but they have no other prospects, are pulling unemployment and mooching of people because they are too proud. Just because you don't think it's true, doesn't mean it isn't.
I hear all the time about people who won't do grunt work because it's beneath them, but they have no other prospects, are pulling unemployment and mooching of people because they are too proud. Just because you don't think it's true, doesn't mean it isn't.
Kakapo Dundee
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If only the Native Americans had had such a policy the rest of the world could have been spared a lot of grief.
Minderella
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Hah--True story.
All Else Failed
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the natives didn't own America or even go outside of a few miles of where they lived most of the time
the vast majority of the lands were unclaimed and unexplored by anyone
no see
the reason why mexicans have those jobs is because they'll work for shit and emplotyers won't want to hire a citizen that would want a little more for their labor
Kakapo Dundee
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Lets not turn this into debate.You're not very good at it, so you'll be defending all the way.
All Else Failed
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Seeing how you're handling yourself in the debate threads, I'm not in the least bit worried about you. Run along.
Leananshee
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Yeah, about that polarization thing....
Kakapo Dundee
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You're worried enough to reply, but you'll never be smart enough to reply convincingly.Quit now, there's a good little boy.
Immigration ... always a hot debate.
I have gone back and forth with immigration over the years. I still am pretty open about immigration in the sense that both sides of the arguments have valid points.
The United States has been a place where all sorts of people can come to make new lives for themselves and as such, has created its own culture. If the boarders were to close from anyone trying to come in ... what would happen? What changes would we see?
I have gone back and forth with immigration over the years. I still am pretty open about immigration in the sense that both sides of the arguments have valid points.
The United States has been a place where all sorts of people can come to make new lives for themselves and as such, has created its own culture. If the boarders were to close from anyone trying to come in ... what would happen? What changes would we see?
:24: Lmao
Accountable
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Where did you learn that? I'm guessing you didn't. I'm guessing you're guessing. I'm also guessing my guess is more educated than yours.
You seem to think the Europeans dropped by, looked around, and made use of only the parts of the continent that no one else was using - or hell, maybe they didn't even know it existed since it wasn't explored. I disagree.
http://www.pbs.org/gunsgermssteel/
http://www.amazon.com/Guns-Germs-Steel-Fates-Societies/dp/0393317552
"The natives" you speak of were hundreds, more likely thousands, of myriad groups ranging from nomads, to subsistence farmers, to advanced societies with writing, religion, empires, ... all the trimmings. North America had nomadic tribes peppered throughout the entire continent, so the claim that the area was unexplored is silly on its face. Evidence shows that by the time the Europeans landed in North America. Scientists estimate that when Europeans started colonizing North America, the population had been reduced by millions by the European diseases That was so helpful in Cortez's conquering of the Aztecs a century earlier. The nomadic lifestyle didn't lend itself to permanent settlements, but there's no need for permanent settlements when food is everywhere in abundance. So yes, the land was not "claimed" in the European sense of building towns and dumping sewage in the rivers, but that is hardly justification for the actions of the Europeans you seem to be glibly minimizing.
Kakapo Dundee
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Maybe better education would help? If every country halved its weapons budget and spent the savings on teachers, maybe we'd end up smart enough not to need the other half of the weapons budget.
The US spends a shit ton of money on each student and kids still flunk out. I don't think throwing more money at the problem is going to change it.
That being said, I'm not completely sure what WILL fix it. In the US I think, we just have a huge difference in quality of schools, high stakes standardized testing, either no tenure it seems or too much tenure, too many government mandates, students and teachers who don't care etc. The list just goes on.
Edit: With the immigrants thing. Just remember that there ARE people who came to the US legally and are good functioning members of society.
All Else Failed
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Where did you learn that? I'm guessing you didn't. I'm guessing you're guessing. I'm also guessing my guess is more educated than yours.
Are you basing this off of you reading Guns, Germs and Steel? Because if it is don't get too excited. I own Guns, Germs and Steel. It is a *very* flawed book with half-truths and basically all of his arguments are assumptions.
Nope, I don't think that. The fact is while there were nomadic and semi-nomadic tribes, most weren't nomadic and did the ones that were not nomadic did not travel that far from their main territory for many good reasons.
The land was no claimed because most of the land, the fact that you're still ignoring, was never settled or traveled upon. There NOT that many natives in America when Europeans came. At all.
PS Europeans made America better.
Ridiculous? You live in the USA, where the majority of our society speaks English. Learn it and use it. Do you think that would fly in a foreign country? Do you think you'd get by in France not speaking the language? Or be respected by society when you can't grasp the language?
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