What is your attitude to gays and lesbians?

[Codrus]

No wet dream is involuntary.

so your saying that all wet dreams are voluntary......

 

[Peter Parka]

Your not good at reading are you? Re-read my previous post.
No a wet dream is involuntary.

Ok then.

There you go assuming shit again. I make mistakes too. Just because something is a sin doesnt mean i havent ever done it. I didnt become a Christian until I was 19. Being a Christian doesnt make you perfect. We are still humans, we mess up too. We understand that what we did is wrong, and we repent and dont do it again.

So once again, are you telling me you have only masturbated a maximum of once since you were 19 and became a Christian seeing, you are telling us you don't make the same mistake twice? :24:
Here, a song which sums up your beliefs, from what you've told us. :24:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

 

[The Doc]

Ok then.



So once again, are you telling me you have only masturbated a maximum of once since you were 19 and became a Christian seeing, you are telling us you don't make the same mistake twice? :24:
Here, a song which sums up your beliefs, from what you've told us. :24:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk

You hit the nail on the head. I have done it once since.

 

[darkcgi]

wtf is that video its freakin scary

 

[The Doc]

wtf is that video its freakin scary

Thats his sad attempt at making fun of catholicism.

 

[porterjack]

Actually Monty Pythons very successfull attempt at poking fun at religion

 

[Darrell]

I'm not gay, but homosexuals still don't bother me.

Everyone deserves to be miserable. :tooth

 

[BornReady]

Actually Monty Pythons very successfull attempt at poking fun at religion

I agree. My brother is roman catholic and I have a lot of respect for him. But I couldn't help laughing when I watched that. I laugh because I don't want to cry. Overpopulation is actually quite serious. My brother told me birth control almost passed the last time the cardinals or whoever took a vote. So it won't be much longer before that insanity is put behind us. Let's hope he's right.

 

[The Doc]

One of those little kids might be the one who cures cancer, or find the cure to homosexuality. Every human life has worth to it. Im not the kind of guy who sticks his nose in things that dont directly affect myself. If people want to abort babies or w/e its on them.

 

[retro]

You (and the Catholic church) are misinterpreting Genesis 38:9-10.

Onan knew that the offspring would not be his; so when he went in to his brother's wife, he wasted his seed on the ground in order not to give offspring to his brother. But what he did was displeasing in the sight of the Lord; so He took his life also.

If my memory of the situation serves me. It was Jewish tradition that when a women's husband died before they had children that the next closest male relative would have a child with her to continue the family line, but the child would effectively be raised as though his brother's child. So his "wasting" of his sperm was because he refused to fulfill what was considered to be his "duty" as her brother-in-law. The other part of it is the belief that since God said to go forth and multiply, that meant that you have a mandate to have children. All of the other Catholic beliefs on the subject come from Papal mandates, and not from the Bible.

 

[Carlton]

You (and the Catholic church) are misinterpreting Genesis 38:9-10.



If my memory of the situation serves me. It was Jewish tradition that when a women's husband died before they had children that the next closest male relative would have a child with her to continue the family line, but the child would effectively be raised as though his brother's child. So his "wasting" of his sperm was because he refused to fulfill what was considered to be his "duty" as her brother-in-law. The other part of it is the belief that since God said to go forth and multiply, that meant that you have a mandate to have children. All of the other Catholic beliefs on the subject come from Papal mandates, and not from the Bible.

this post is full of win.

 

[The Doc]

You (and the Catholic church) are misinterpreting Genesis 38:9-10.



If my memory of the situation serves me. It was Jewish tradition that when a women's husband died before they had children that the next closest male relative would have a child with her to continue the family line, but the child would effectively be raised as though his brother's child. So his "wasting" of his sperm was because he refused to fulfill what was considered to be his "duty" as her brother-in-law. The other part of it is the belief that since God said to go forth and multiply, that meant that you have a mandate to have children. All of the other Catholic beliefs on the subject come from Papal mandates, and not from the Bible.

No. its pretty literal. He wasted his seed by busting on the floor.

 

[retro]

No. its pretty literal. He wasted his seed by busting on the floor.

He "wasted" it because it was intended for a different, yet specific, purpose. He was supposed to get his sister-in-law pregnant, but he decided that he didn't want to. There's nothing that say that masturbation is wrong, or that birth control is wrong, or anything of the sort. That one passage is the closest that you can get to the subject anywhere in the Bible.

 

[retro]

But if you'd like to take that literally, let's go there. When was the last time that you ate bacon or some other pork product? You're also not supposed cut your hair at the sides or trim the edges of your beard. So, you're in violation of what is taught in the Bible by being in the military. There's all kinds of other similar things in the Bible; but apparently it's okay for you to pick and choose what you want to follow. You call masturbation a sin when there's nothing referencing it anywhere in the Bible, yet I bet you're in violation of all kinds of laws set forth in Leviticus. Or is that just for Jews? But if that's the case, wouldn't the "wasting" of semen only be for Jews as well?

 

[Francis]

One of those little kids might be the one who cures cancer, or find the cure to homosexuality. Every human life has worth to it. Im not the kind of guy who sticks his nose in things that dont directly affect myself. If people want to abort babies or w/e its on them.

And if one of those kids was gay, found the cure to cancer, what would you think of the cure?

Here's an interesting one for you. Did you know the US military once invested in finding or developing a "Gay Bomb" to turn all enemy soldiers gay so they would fall in love with each other and the wars could end..

This has to be the funniest thing I ever heard..

http://www.improb.com/ig/ig-pastwinners.html#ig2007

http://rncnyc2004.blogspot.com/2007/06/us-military-gay-bomb-video.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_bomb#cite_note-6

 

[The Doc]

He "wasted" it because it was intended for a different, yet specific, purpose. He was supposed to get his sister-in-law pregnant, but he decided that he didn't want to. There's nothing that say that masturbation is wrong, or that birth control is wrong, or anything of the sort. That one passage is the closest that you can get to the subject anywhere in the Bible.

This verse clearly explains why masturbation and whatnot is percieved as wrong. He had the fun of fucking a chick but busted on the ground so he wouldent have to deal with the bullshit of having a kid. He busted his nut on the ground. Thats why its a waste. Masturbating and busting in a sock,tissue, toilet whatever you do is the same shit. Semen is meant to fertilize eggs, not end up being flushed down the toilet, making a sock crusty, or stained on a napkin in a trash can.

Now we have gone totally off topic. I believe homosexuality is cureable.

 

[retro]

This verse clearly explains why masturbation and whatnot is percieved as wrong. He had the fun of fucking a chick but busted on the ground so he wouldent have to deal with the bullshit of having a kid. He busted his nut on the ground. Thats why its a waste. Masturbating and busting in a sock,tissue, toilet whatever you do is the same shit. Semen is meant to fertilize eggs, not end up being flushed down the toilet, making a sock crusty, or stained on a napkin in a trash can.

Now we have gone totally off topic. I believe homosexuality is cureable.

Where is masturbation mentioned in that passage of the Bible? He "wasted" it because it was for a different purpose in that specific situation. If masturbation was actually a sin, don't you think that it would be covered elsewhere among all of the cleanliness laws in Leviticus. Like I said, there's mentions of how to cut your hair and trim your beard... if masturbation was a sin, it would stand to reason that it would be covered there.

I'll let you respond to my other post before I go any further.

 

[The Doc]

Where is masturbation mentioned in that passage of the Bible? He "wasted" it because it was for a different purpose in that specific situation. If masturbation was actually a sin, don't you think that it would be covered elsewhere among all of the cleanliness laws in Leviticus. Like I said, there's mentions of how to cut your hair and trim your beard... if masturbation was a sin, it would stand to reason that it would be covered there.

I'll let you respond to my other post before I go any further.

No. He wasted it by not fertilizing an egg with it and spilling it on the ground.

 

[retro]

No. He wasted it by not fertilizing an egg with it and spilling it on the ground.

In that specific situation, that specific egg. You're being deliberately obtuse here. You refuse to recognize that it was due to a Jewish tradition/law that he was to impregnate her. Are you going to bother responding to the rest of my statement? Well wait, it's your MO to ignore things that you can't deal with.

 

[The Doc]

In that specific situation, that specific egg. You're being deliberately obtuse here. You refuse to recognize that it was due to a Jewish tradition/law that he was to impregnate her. Are you going to bother responding to the rest of my statement? Well wait, it's your MO to ignore things that you can't deal with.

The bible doesnt list each and every little thing. There is no "Thou Shall not snort cocaine" verse but its justified as a sin because its against the law and the bible says to obey the authority that God has set in front of you. The Authority set in front of me, The US Government says it is illegal.

Same with masturbation. He didnt use his seed for the intended reason. Therefore he wasted the seed.