What is your attitude to gays and lesbians?

[Darrell]

I just laugh when people call others "son."

Anyway, back on topic.

I still think homosexuals are normal.

 

[Panacea]

I just laugh when people call others "son."

Anyway, back on topic.

I still think homosexuals are normal.

Gotta watch nowadays, might get stuck paying child support. I'm anticipating this thread's first serious use of the word 'brony'.

 

[The Doc]

I see you finally looked up Gangster.. Far cry from a street drug dealer. Now that we can move on lets get to the real topic..



And that was my point.. You can change people forcibly but you cannot make them into people they are not.. Just as you cannot change a heterosexual like you and I into wanting to be with members of our sexual orientation, the same can be said of homosexuals.



Why do you keep linking pedophiles with gays ? That's like linking all military people with being berserk killers because one went nuts in a camp ( Nidal Malik Hasan ).. Or link all priest or clergy men with pedophiles..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

And did you die or become Gay when they person asked you out ? Doesn't look like it to me .. The fact is your ego might have been slightly bruise but even that should not have bothered you.




But I am not the one with a problem, you are. You have the burden of proof and need to prove the gays were not born the way they were. If we are all to be treated equally, it should not matter if you white, brown, Jewish, Christian, Gay or Straight. You should not try to berate anyone, especially if you believe in equal rights. Even mentally handicap people deserve equal rights.

Or do you believe that equal rights is just a fable for those who deserve it in your mind?




Again, you are lumping everything into one basket and not comparing apples to apples.. That's like say Cancer, a Common Cold and Eczema are all the same.. Get over it man..




Hey an analogy is an analogy. If you keep lumping people all into one basket so will I..




Then what are you trying to do to them? Why in one hand do you say your not out to cure them but say they should seek help? You keep saying its a behavior so what do you what them to do? They will not take a magic pill and become hetrosexuals, so what's your solution? And what treatement are you talking about?






Sorry Doc, but the article you refer to is from a heavivly bias religious web site.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/general.aspx?id=1202

I cannot find the APA it refers to at all and every report the APA are usually posted. And even at that it states only "There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation." which is a far cry from saying there is no Gay Gene.


But if you want more recent findings, all you had to do was Google it..

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-07/has-gay-gene-been-found-female-mice

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/15/have-scientists-found-gay-gene/

Sorry I forgot about u francis

1. A street drug dealer is usually in a street gang or is paying taxes/affiliating with a gang to sell drugs in their territory

2. You cant compare race with sexual orientation. Race is something your born with for fact, your sexual preference isnt. You and I could possibly be turned homo, as a homo could possibly be turned straight. Earlier I posted a study about how some males identify as straight going into prison, then identifying as homosexual or bisexual when they leave. It was a study on post-prison sexual behavior.

3. Quote me if at any point I said fags dont deserve equal rights. The only thing I dont want them to have is to Openly serve in the Army or Marines. (Navy and Airforce is OK for them though).

4. Cancer is a deadly disease unlike the common cold. The only difference between homosexuality and pedo/necrophelia is one is legal as the other 2 are illegal. All 3 fall under the catagory of sexual abnormality with beastiality and whatnot.

5. I am not out to cure Gays, that would take up my personal time. I am just going to tell them that a cure/treatment is avalable for their condition. The cure I talk about is things like reparitive and aversion therapy.

6. I want to quote a section from your links

Park said he now wants to research whether this finding has any relevance for humans

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/15/have-scientists-found-gay-gene/#ixzz1bGsACyo3​

 

[Peter Parka]

I am still waiting to hear why gay people have ever harmed the Doc. Still ignoring me because you cant answer?

 

[Francis]

Sorry I forgot about u francis

1. A street drug dealer is usually in a street gang or is paying taxes/affiliating with a gang to sell drugs in their territory

Moved on..

2. You cant compare race with sexual orientation. Race is something your born with for fact, your sexual preference isnt. You and I could possibly be turned homo, as a homo could possibly be turned straight. Earlier I posted a study about how some males identify as straight going into prison, then identifying as homosexual or bisexual when they leave. It was a study on post-prison sexual behavior.

Well again, this proves nothing as you have people "coming out of the closet" at ages of 40, 50 and 60 years old. It can take people a long time before they muster up the courage to come out and express their true identity or feelings due to repression caused by societies pressures, family or church belonging excommunication threats. Being put in jail can just be a motivator for many people to say "fuck it nobody will give a shit about me anymore anyway".. How many go into jail and come back out straight is just as important.

Oh and by the way, if a guy is in jail and gets hammered up, does that make him automatically Gay or Bisexual now?

3. Quote me if at any point I said fags dont deserve equal rights. The only thing I dont want them to have is to Openly serve in the Army or Marines. (Navy and Airforce is OK for them though).

Again, you are trying to add stuff I did not say previous. What I did is ask you if they deserved equal rights the last time. So again do they deserve equal rights Yes or No ?

4. Cancer is a deadly disease unlike the common cold. The only difference between homosexuality and pedo/necrophelia is one is legal as the other 2 are illegal. All 3 fall under the catagory of sexual abnormality with beastiality and whatnot.

Again being Gay is not a disease as you claim it is as much as you keep saying it..

Not only that but it's not true about Necrophilia either. It is illegal in only a handful of US States but I am not sure if it's covered by the handling of a dead body instead of Necrophilia as such. To me this is more of a moral and disgusting issue than anything else that someone is doing harm to themselves and no one else than a dead body. It even happens ( been observed ) in Animals as weird as that may sound..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrophilia

5. I am not out to cure Gays, that would take up my personal time. I am just going to tell them that a cure/treatment is avalable for their condition. The cure I talk about is things like reparitive and aversion therapy.

You just don't see the problem here do you. In one hand you claim not to want to cure Gays but in the other you are going to tell them that there is a cure like reparative and aversion therapy.. I highlighted the two to make them as clear as possible to you how they link up together.

The other issues is that reparative and aversion therapy such as the shock therapy I pointed out in my past posts were only successful short term but long term people went back to their true feelings. Just as you can change the color of the skin of a person medically, you cannot change who they are, nor their past..

6. I want to quote a section from your links

Well Doc, it still proves the Gay Gene is active and furthers the cause. As well you did not reply to the fact your site was not reliable and that the APA document they claim could not be found..

 

[The Doc]

I am still waiting to hear why gay people have ever harmed the Doc. Still ignoring me because you cant answer?

No, im not ignoring you dude. Retro and francis are more fun to argue with because they somewhat put up some sort of argument, unlike you. Therefore I usually just skim over your posts. Have gay people ever done anything to me? Yes, their behavior makes me sick.

Moved on..



Well again, this proves nothing as you have people "coming out of the closet" at ages of 40, 50 and 60 years old. It can take people a long time before they muster up the courage to come out and express their true identity or feelings due to repression caused by societies pressures, family or church belonging excommunication threats. Being put in jail can just be a motivator for many people to say "fuck it nobody will give a shit about me anymore anyway".. How many go into jail and come back out straight is just as important.

Oh and by the way, if a guy is in jail and gets hammered up, does that make him automatically Gay or Bisexual now?



Again, you are trying to add stuff I did not say previous. What I did is ask you if they deserved equal rights the last time. So again do they deserve equal rights Yes or No ?




Again being Gay is not a disease as you claim it is as much as you keep saying it..

Not only that but it's not true about Necrophilia either. It is illegal in only a handful of US States but I am not sure if it's covered by the handling of a dead body instead of Necrophilia as such. To me this is more of a moral and disgusting issue than anything else that someone is doing harm to themselves and no one else than a dead body. It even happens ( been observed ) in Animals as weird as that may sound..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Necrophilia



You just don't see the problem here do you. In one hand you claim not to want to cure Gays but in the other you are going to tell them that there is a cure like reparative and aversion therapy.. I highlighted the two to make them as clear as possible to you how they link up together.

The other issues is that reparative and aversion therapy such as the shock therapy I pointed out in my past posts were only successful short term but long term people went back to their true feelings. Just as you can change the color of the skin of a person medically, you cannot change who they are, nor their past..



Well Doc, it still proves the Gay Gene is active and furthers the cause. As well you did not reply to the fact your site was not reliable and that the APA document they claim could not be found..

So, the whole thing about people entering prison identifying as heterosexual and then leaving identifying as homosexual, to an extent you are correct. Some who identified as heterosexual upon entering do admit in the study that they were just closeted homosexuals at the time. But they all weren't. Some came in Straight and left Gay. You also asked if a guy gets 'hammered up' if he is gay. Im assuming your saying if he gets raped? If he is raped he isnt gay, it was against his will. But after getting raped a bunch of times he might like it and prefer it over women. Just a possibility. If you went out and raped a lesbian, it wouldn't make her straight. It would just make you a rapist.

Do gay people deserve equal rights? Sure, whatever. I dont care. Keep them out of the Army and it doesnt affect me or this nations defense.

Necrophilia is only illegal in a handful of US States. Ok That's cool, thanks for looking that up.

Also I stated That I personally am not interested in curing homosexuals or forcing them to get cured; I will simply tell them there is a cure. If they dont want to get better, its on them not me. I live a busy life, i cant chase around worthless people to make sure they do things that dont have much of an effect on me anyways. I diagnosed the illness and wrote them a prescription, they just refused to pick it up at the pharmacy. That's not my problem. I did my part.

I thought I was clear enough in this argument that you would figure out that I was arguing about a gay gene in Humans. Rats eat their own shit and their young. If you read the article, you would also see that the behaviors making the rats gay wasnt a gay gene, but the lack of gene which supposedly makes them heterosexual. If this argument was about genes dictating if a Rat was homo or hetero then you would have won this hands down. But its about humans, Sorry.

The APA report from my link you said you couldent find was "Answers to Your Questions for a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality"
Which you can find here http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/sorientation.pdf

Also check this out
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=97940

​

 

[retro]

No, im not ignoring you dude. Retro and francis are more fun to argue with because they somewhat put up some sort of argument, unlike you. Therefore I usually just skim over your posts. Have gay people ever done anything to me? Yes, their behavior makes me sick.

So it's their existence that you hate? Nice.

Also, the AMA disagrees with your assertions...

Our AMA: (1) believes that the physician's nonjudgmental recognition of sexual orientation and behavior enhances the ability to render optimal patient care in health as well as in illness... With the help of the gay and lesbian community and through a cooperative effort between physician and the homosexual patient effective progress can be made in treating the medical needs of this particular segment of the population; (2) is committed to taking a leadership role in: (a) educating physicians on the current state of research in and knowledge of homosexuality and the need to take an adequate sexual history; these efforts should start in medical school, but must also be a part of continuing medical education; (b) educating physicians to recognize the physical and psychological needs of their homosexual patients; (c) encouraging the development of educational programs for homosexuals to acquaint them with the diseases for which they are at risk; (d) encouraging physicians to seek out local or national experts in the health care needs of gay men and lesbians so that all physicians will achieve a better understanding of the medical needs of this population; and (e) working with the gay and lesbian community to offer physicians the opportunity to better understand the medical needs of homosexual and bisexual patients; and (3) opposes, the use of "reparative" or "conversion" therapy that is based upon the assumption that homosexuality per se is a mental disorder or based upon the a priori assumption that the patient should change his/her homosexual orientation.

 

[The Doc]

So it's their existence that you hate? Nice.

Also, the AMA disagrees with your assertions...

I dont know whose posts your reading, but it wasnt mine. I didnt say I hate their existence. I hate their behavior, and dislike them as people. Retro, why do you lie when you get in a corner? Your wasting webspace when you post now, because all your posts are stupid and arent doing anything. Francis is really the only person left here who might have a chance at winning this debate against me.

The AMA does disagree with reparative and conversion therapy, thats fine. I wasnt using this source to prove that point. Did they say anything about aversion therapy? Doctors disagree all the time. My battalion PA often disagrees with some of the diagnoses the Brigade Doc makes. Thats just how medicine is. Also want you to look up
Robert Spitzers study "Can Some Gay Men and Lesbians Change Their Sexual Orientation?

 

[retro]

I dont know whose posts your reading, but it wasnt mine. I didnt say I hate their existence. I hate their behavior, and dislike them as people. Retro, why do you lie when you get in a corner? Your wasting webspace when you post now, because all your posts are stupid and arent doing anything. Francis is really the only person left here who might have a chance at winning this debate against me.

I'm sorry that you're incapable of reaching logical conclusions based on the things that you've said.

The Doc: I hate gay people
The Doc: Homosexuality is a sickness
The Doc: I hate their behavior

Therefore, you hate the fact that homosexuals exist. It's a pretty logical conclusion to come to based on your statement. Try to backpedal from it all you want, but you've said all of those things.

The AMA does disagree with reparative and conversion therapy, thats fine. I wasnt using this source to prove that point. Did they say anything about aversion therapy? Doctors disagree all the time. My battalion PA often disagrees with some of the diagnoses the Brigade Doc makes. Thats just how medicine is. Also want you to look up
Robert Spitzers study "Can Some Gay Men and Lesbians Change Their Sexual Orientation?

The AMA is a group of 240,000 physicians, that's a whole lot different than your example of your battalion's Physician Assistant disagreeing with the brigade doctor. As far as Spitzer's study goes... I bet you anything that you could also "convert" (force) a straight man to become gay under the same circumstances. Hell, the APA (and most other medical professional organizations in the world) state that conversation therapy is an ethical violation at best, and downright harmful and dangerous at worst. The APA has also stated that they "oppose any treatment which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality is a mental disorder or that a person should change their orientation". I'd say that the largest group of Psychiatric Professionals in the world know just a little bit about the subject. Additionally, Spitzer's study was of "200 self-selected individuals (143 males, 57 females) who reported at least some minimal change from homosexual to heterosexual orientation that lasted at least 5 years." I'm sorry, but "some minimal change" among 200 people that volunteered doesn't really prove much of anything.

 

[Francis]

So, the whole thing about people entering prison identifying as heterosexual and then leaving identifying as homosexual, to an extent you are correct. Some who identified as heterosexual upon entering do admit in the study that they were just closeted homosexuals at the time. But they all weren't. Some came in Straight and left Gay. You also asked if a guy gets 'hammered up' if he is gay. Im assuming your saying if he gets raped? If he is raped he isnt gay, it was against his will. But after getting raped a bunch of times he might like it and prefer it over women. Just a possibility. If you went out and raped a lesbian, it wouldn't make her straight. It would just make you a rapist.

Again, you still have not proved they did not have hidden Gay, suppressed feelings. All those "Straight" people you talk about that turn gay could well be just like the 40, 50 or 60 year old people that come out of the closet for no apparent reason except that they no longer have family to be afraid of..

And if one guy or girl was Bisexual but didn't want to admit it, it would be a hell of a lot simpler to suppress those feelings by just dismissing them or having thoughts of that kind of sex during masturbation or even with their partner than to tell them out of fear. So again, you are left with too many variables to state a "straight man or woman" could be turned Gay or that a Gay person can be turned straight..

Do gay people deserve equal rights? Sure, whatever. I dont care. Keep them out of the Army and it doesnt affect me or this nations defense.

If they have equal rights than they would be allowed in the Army, Navy, Marines and everything else YOU and I are entitled to.. Equal rights is exactly what it stands for and one of the many thing you fight for in your country..

Necrophilia is only illegal in a handful of US States. Ok That's cool, thanks for looking that up.

No problem.. Took me a whole but 2 seconds to find it.. Much like you I find it disgusting but that being said I think it's more of a moral type thing IMO..

Also I stated That I personally am not interested in curing homosexuals or forcing them to get cured; I will simply tell them there is a cure. If they dont want to get better, its on them not me. I live a busy life, i cant chase around worthless people to make sure they do things that dont have much of an effect on me anyways. I diagnosed the illness and wrote them a prescription, they just refused to pick it up at the pharmacy. That's not my problem. I did my part.

Sorry but I highlighted in my last post your own words. Nobody else said them but you.. And If I am not mistaken its not the first time you have said it, perhaps not in those exact words, but it has now locked you into that terminology of what you say and what you say you want to do, don't add up..

I thought I was clear enough in this argument that you would figure out that I was arguing about a gay gene in Humans. Rats eat their own shit and their young. If you read the article, you would also see that the behaviors making the rats gay wasnt a gay gene, but the lack of gene which supposedly makes them heterosexual. If this argument was about genes dictating if a Rat was homo or hetero then you would have won this hands down. But its about humans, Sorry.

Are you really a medic ?

How do you think medical discoveries are made ? They use Lab rats and such to do a lot of tests they cannot do on humans first..

The studies shows that if a missing part of the Gene ( the one removed ) can alter a mice behaviour it could well show that a missing Gene in a human could be the cause of Homosexuality. Hence the "Gay Gene" you keep asking about.. To remove such a Gene on a human to prove that it can alter sexual preference will be hard to do as you would require someone straight to want to become Gay. Are you willing to prove the Gene is not valid and be the test human ?

The APA report from my link you said you couldent find was "Answers to Your Questions for a Better Understanding of Sexual Orientation & Homosexuality"
Which you can find here http://www.apa.org/topics/sexuality/sorientation.pdf

This link does you more harm than good for you cause. It states everything I have been saying and does nothing for your cause..

Also check this out
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=97940

Dude, you really need to check and read into your links before you post them.. A. Dean Byrd is the main reason this article exists and is a "APA Member that was pushing the cause for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". Which is against homosexual acts..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A._Dean_Byrd


Now from your APA Link here is what hurts you the most..

No, lesbian, gay, and bisexual orientations are not disorders. Research has found no inherent association between any of these sexual orientations and psychopathology. Both heterosexual behavior and homosexual behavior are normal aspects of human sexuality.

To date, there has been no scientifically adequate research to show that therapy aimed at changing sexual orientation (sometimes called reparative or conversion therapy) is safe or effective.

Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social, and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors. Many think that nature and nurture both play complex roles; most people experience little or no sense of choice about their sexual orientation.

 

[Peter Parka]

No, im not ignoring you dude. Retro and francis are more fun to argue with because they somewhat put up some sort of argument, unlike you. Therefore I usually just skim over your posts. Have gay people ever done anything to me? Yes, their behavior makes me sick.

​

So basically you are admitting that you perv on gay people because if you didn't, you wouldn't see their behaviour. This statement makes me think you are a secret homosexual.

 

[The Doc]

I'm sorry that you're incapable of reaching logical conclusions based on the things that you've said.

The Doc: I hate gay people
The Doc: Homosexuality is a sickness
The Doc: I hate their behavior

Therefore, you hate the fact that homosexuals exist. It's a pretty logical conclusion to come to based on your statement. Try to backpedal from it all you want, but you've said all of those things.



The AMA is a group of 240,000 physicians, that's a whole lot different than your example of your battalion's Physician Assistant disagreeing with the brigade doctor. As far as Spitzer's study goes... I bet you anything that you could also "convert" (force) a straight man to become gay under the same circumstances. Hell, the APA (and most other medical professional organizations in the world) state that conversation therapy is an ethical violation at best, and downright harmful and dangerous at worst. The APA has also stated that they "oppose any treatment which is based upon the assumption that homosexuality is a mental disorder or that a person should change their orientation". I'd say that the largest group of Psychiatric Professionals in the world know just a little bit about the subject. Additionally, Spitzer's study was of "200 self-selected individuals (143 males, 57 females) who reported at least some minimal change from homosexual to heterosexual orientation that lasted at least 5 years." I'm sorry, but "some minimal change" among 200 people that volunteered doesn't really prove much of anything.

Well Retro, I dislike homosexuals, I do hate their behavior and I do think Its a sickness. If God put them on this earth there is a reason for their existence, and I do not question it. Because I am a christian i believe everyone on this earth has some sort of purpose, what it is I dont know. Only God knows. Their existence could just be an example of what not to do, who knows. Every pathogen on this earth serves a purpose. From STD's to homosexuality.

The point of that article was to show you that the APA has changed their oppinion from supporting a gay gene to no longer advocating that.

Also, even if there is a small success rate, there is a success rate. Though its small, that means there is a possibility for a cure.

So basically you are admitting that you perv on gay people because if you didn't, you wouldn't see their behaviour. This statement makes me think you are a secret homosexual.

I hate the behaviors of Pedophiles, Necrofiliacs, the Taliban, drug addicts and shoplifters. So according to your logic then I am a pedophile,Necrofiliac, Taliban Member who is addicted to drugs and shoplifts. Your logic is flawed.

Francis, your post is a little long and drawn out. My lunch is only 45 mins. I also gotta be up around 3:30ish tommorow for a range so i might not reply to you tonight but later tommorow. I havent forgotten about you

 

[Peter Parka]

Well Retro, I dislike homosexuals, I do hate their behavior and I do think Its a sickness. If God put them on this earth there is a reason for their existence, and I do not question it. Because I am a christian i believe everyone on this earth has some sort of purpose, what it is I dont know. Only God knows. Their existence could just be an example of what not to do, who knows. Every pathogen on this earth serves a purpose. From STD's to homosexuality.

The point of that article was to show you that the APA has changed their oppinion from supporting a gay gene to no longer advocating that.

Also, even if there is a small success rate, there is a success rate. Though its small, that means there is a possibility for a cure.




I hate the behaviors of Pedophiles, Necrofiliacs, the Taliban, drug addicts and shoplifters. So according to your logic then I am a pedophile,Necrofiliac, Taliban Member who is addicted to drugs and shoplifts. Your logic is flawed.

Francis, your post is a little long and drawn out. My lunch is only 45 mins. I also gotta be up around 3:30ish tommorow for a range so i might not reply to you tonight but later tommorow. I havent forgotten about you

Wow, a lot of words spoken and you still can't point out how homosexuals harm you.

 

[rback33]

Wow, a lot of words spoken and you still can't point out how homosexuals harm you.

They make him want to touch himself and he doesn't like it...

 

[alice in chains]

The Doc.

You seem to think homosexuals are worse sinners than other sinners of the Earth. What makes them worse than others other than your personal intolerance of them?

 

[Panacea]

They make him want to touch himself and he doesn't like it...

I don't want annnybody else, when I think of homos I touch myself?

 

[rback33]

I don't want annnybody else, when I think of homos I touch myself?

LMAO OMG another epic Carly post.... I sang along from the moment I started to read it...

 

[Tim]

The Doc.

You seem to think homosexuals are worse sinners than other sinners of the Earth. What makes them worse than others other than your personal intolerance of them?

I wonder if Doc has ever gotten a blow job... I mean he is against all sexual deviant behavior, so I guess he would hate those who have ever given or received a blow job.

 

[Panacea]

I wonder if Doc has ever gotten a blow job... I mean he is against all sexual deviant behavior, so I guess he would hate those who have ever given or received a blow job.

Hell ya son what do you think I'm a homo son?

 

[Accountable]

Over 40 pages??!? This is another Seinfeld thread.