What is your attitude to gays and lesbians?

[The Doc]

I will make it really clear for you then.

We ARE NOT going to intervene in what goes on in here unless Tim calls you a name, and you report it.

The rules that I posted are very clear.

If Tim trolls you outside of this forum, please bring it to our attention, and it will be addressed.

Guyzerr, stop being a snitch. I dislike tim too, but when you snitch to admins you make yourself look like a baby back bitch son. No one likes a battle buddy fucker.

 

[retro]

Retro, if you dont want to hear my replies because im spewing bigotry, why do you ask and respond to my posts then? I didnt really read your post throughly, but i saw you posted some bible verses. I dont use christianity as an escuse to dislike homosexuals. I dislike homosexuals because I dont like them.

I merely said not to respond because we've read everything you've had to say already... we didn't need any additional proof of your blatant bigotry. As far as the bible verses... I was showing you that Jesus said to love one another, and you aren't doing that. So you aren't following the tenants of your supposed faith/It's also pretty damn fucked up to hate a group of people because of who they are... without having met them. That's the definition of bigotry... so are you going to admit to all of us that your views are bigoted?

 

[Francis]

1. the definition of a gangster is a person in a gang/involved in orginized crime

I see you finally looked up Gangster.. Far cry from a street drug dealer. Now that we can move on lets get to the real topic..

2. Blacks are born black and asians are born asian. Im sure they could get medical procedures done to look different. If they want to do it, thats on them. As for people forcing muslims to convert to christianity, thats not showing Gods Love by christians, that is showing violence. Therefore the people wouldent actually believe, they would be resenting. If you are luke warm you are not a christian. Why not force the world to be blonde haired blue eyes Christians? Well, for one thing that would mean i have to get a surgery. I would never make people do things that would inconvience me, out of my own will, and for no reason.

And that was my point.. You can change people forcibly but you cannot make them into people they are not.. Just as you cannot change a heterosexual like you and I into wanting to be with members of our sexual orientation, the same can be said of homosexuals.

3.So why am i worried about Gay behavior? Has a gay guy asked me out?
Why am I worried about their behavior when it doesnt affect me? The same reason you would be worried about a pedophiles behavior, or any other sex offenders behavior. Oh and a gay guy has tried to hit on me before. Long story, funnt story. Well, not so funny for that guy.

Why do you keep linking pedophiles with gays ? That's like linking all military people with being berserk killers because one went nuts in a camp ( Nidal Malik Hasan ).. Or link all priest or clergy men with pedophiles..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nidal_Malik_Hasan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

And did you die or become Gay when they person asked you out ? Doesn't look like it to me .. The fact is your ego might have been slightly bruise but even that should not have bothered you.

4. How can I prove that gays werent born gay, easy one. The fact you cant genetically find a gay gene. Same as you cant find a heterosexual gene. Any person can go left or right depending on their upbringing. People identify homosexual, then get cured and become heterosexual, and vice vera. If you want this evidence just ask.

But I am not the one with a problem, you are. You have the burden of proof and need to prove the gays were not born the way they were. If we are all to be treated equally, it should not matter if you white, brown, Jewish, Christian, Gay or Straight. You should not try to berate anyone, especially if you believe in equal rights. Even mentally handicap people deserve equal rights.

Or do you believe that equal rights is just a fable for those who deserve it in your mind?

5. Pedophelia, Necrophelia, Homosexuality its all one of the same thing. Abnormal sexual behavior, also to add that there is no neurology or medical issues within true pedophiles, thats another issue altogether.

Again, you are lumping everything into one basket and not comparing apples to apples.. That's like say Cancer, a Common Cold and Eczema are all the same.. Get over it man..

6. Elaborate for me your dont ask dont tell comment. Its a pretty shitty analogy. I dont understand what your getting at. Im assuming your trying to say my comparing pedophiles to homosexuals is that ridiculous of an analogy that your comparing dont ask dont tell reappeal to all aoldiers being gay? The reason I use them is because pedophiles are with homosexuals in the catagory of abnormal deviant sexual behavior.

Hey an analogy is an analogy. If you keep lumping people all into one basket so will I..

Also wanted to add, I am not out to try and cure homosexuals. Its their choice to get help or not.. I have too much going on to try and force change among that group. If a gay dude approaches me, i will educate him on treatment. If he doesnt want it, its his problem not mine. All I am saying is its cureable.

Then what are you trying to do to them? Why in one hand do you say your not out to cure them but say they should seek help? You keep saying its a behavior so what do you what them to do? They will not take a magic pill and become hetrosexuals, so what's your solution? And what treatement are you talking about?

Thats was the original 2005 study which has been disproven. Check this out little dude

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=528376

Retro, ill reply to all your shit when im off work today

Sorry Doc, but the article you refer to is from a heavivly bias religious web site.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/general.aspx?id=1202

I cannot find the APA it refers to at all and every report the APA are usually posted. And even at that it states only "There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation." which is a far cry from saying there is no Gay Gene.


But if you want more recent findings, all you had to do was Google it..

http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2010-07/has-gay-gene-been-found-female-mice

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/07/15/have-scientists-found-gay-gene/

 

[Guyzerr]

Then if you believe him to be a troll, you're simply taking the bait and letting him troll you.

Ya I know Retro. I keep slapping myself after I do it. :24:

 

[Guyzerr]

I will make it really clear for you then.

We ARE NOT going to intervene in what goes on in here unless Tim calls you a name, and you report it.

The rules that I posted are very clear.

If Tim trolls you outside of this forum, please bring it to our attention, and it will be addressed.

I was really hoping you would grasp what's been going on, see the distinct difference ( psstttt.... the rules you posted don't pertain to trolls ) and not reply to my post but seeing as you chose not to I'll say this....

# 1 - What are the rules on this site with reference to trolls? In case you don't know what one is here's Wiki's definition which btw is pretty much accepted everywhere.

Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)

# 2 - If you don't think he's a troll I suggest you find his last............ um... say 10 posts to me and show me where he's been on topic even once. I think what you'll discover will be nothing short of the actions of a troll. In other words... outright attacks against me. Now I really don't give a shit anymore except it's disruptive to the site and to be honest because I know full well the powers to be won't nip the problem ( him ) in the bud. They haven't yet so why start now............ right? Anywhoo... you want me to point out his name calling and he wants to bait me into the same situation. Do you really think he's stupid enough to do that? I sure as hell don't. Matter of fact his reps to me prove to me he doesn't have the balls to be forthright in a thread. As far as myself goes in that regard it will come to the point where it will be worth whatever you the new sheriff in town wants to dish out but I'll be the one to decide when, not Tim the King of Trolls.

 

[Guyzerr]

Guyzerr, stop being a snitch. I dislike tim too, but when you snitch to admins you make yourself look like a baby back bitch son. No one likes a battle buddy fucker.

I know what you mean doc and it's not so much that he tries to piss me off it's more a matter of principal. What principal you ask? Well I like to see everyone on the same playing field have access to the same rules and referee if you know what I mean.

 

[Darrell]

As far as myself goes in that regard it will come to the point where it will be worth whatever you the new sheriff in town wants to dish out but I'll be the one to decide when, not Tim the King of Trolls.

I'm not the Sheriff. I'm just her Deputy.

You had me preparing to let the rest of the staff know your concern until the point you decided to be facetious and call me the new Sheriff in town.

Grow up, Guyzerr, and don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Guyzerr]

I'm not the Sheriff. I'm just her Deputy.

You had me preparing to let the rest of the staff know your concern until the point you decided to be facetious and call me the new Sheriff in town.

Don't let one little word stop you from doing your job especially since you're the one that started it by posting an incorrect link. Besides that the word Sheriff was a joke. ffs doesn't anyone around here have a sense of humor anymore?

Grow up, Guyzerr, and don't shoot the messenger.

Darrell don't lower lower yourself. Up till this point you've been pretty decent.

Instead of pissing around with semantics how about looking for those 10 posts.

 

[Natasha]

Okay, for those of you who have forgotten the rules of debate, unless you are specifically called a name, this forum is not moderated. You all enter at your own risk and are supposed to be able to handle it. It's exactly why I don't come into this forum...I don't enjoy beating my head against a wall. So if you're going to make a case against Tim for "trolling" you'll have to do it outside of this forum. Again, the debate area is ENTER AT YOUR OWN RISK and, as stated in the thread Darrell linked to, we will only intervene if someone is called a name and reports it (and we're not talking about "your ideas are stupid" or "your statements are moronic"...it has to literally be "you're an idiot" or "you're a moron").

Any further on this matter can be taken to PM so as not to clog up this thread.

 

[BornReady]

Okay, for those of you who have forgotten the rules of debate, unless you are specifically called a name, this forum is not moderated.

Most of us haven't forgotten. It's what many of us asked for, myself included, and what we got. Keep up the good work.

 

[Darrell]

Don't let one little word stop you from doing your job especially since you're the one that started it by posting an incorrect link. Besides that the word Sheriff was a joke. ffs doesn't anyone around here have a sense of humor anymore?

Actually, I didn't post an incorrect link. I posted a link to the rules of this forum, and because YOU don't find them convenient for your particular situation, you have decided that I posted an incorrect link. Sorry, try again.

Darrell don't lower lower yourself. Up till this point you've been pretty decent.

Instead of pissing around with semantics how about looking for those 10 posts.

No thanks.

 

[porterjack]

c'mon lets close this . The OP was flamer and is long gone, nothing more can be said to change any ones minds

close this please

 

[Panacea]

The OP was flamer

I expect more from you than gay slurs, tisk tisk

 

[Niamh]

 

[porterjack]

I expect more from you than gay slurs, tisk tisk

at least you used a sarcastic smiley I never knew flamer was a gay slur

 

[retro]

c'mon lets close this . The OP was flamer and is long gone, nothing more can be said to change any ones minds

close this please

Or you can simply not come into the thread anymore... you say there's no point in keeping it open, and I say there's no point in closing it.

 

[Darrell]

c'mon lets close this . The OP was flamer and is long gone, nothing more can be said to change any ones minds

close this please

Unfortunately, there is no cause to kill this thread. It's still being openly debated, and discussed.

 

[The Doc]

I merely said not to respond because we've read everything you've had to say already... we didn't need any additional proof of your blatant bigotry. As far as the bible verses... I was showing you that Jesus said to love one another, and you aren't doing that. So you aren't following the tenants of your supposed faith/It's also pretty damn fucked up to hate a group of people because of who they are... without having met them. That's the definition of bigotry... so are you going to admit to all of us that your views are bigoted?

You have heard everything i have to say and you cant challenge it. You just keep repeating the word bigot, and then tossing in things like Christianity into the mix that dont really have much todo with the point im arguing. Restating, I dont hate homosexuals. I strongly dislike them. Also, nowhere in the bible does it say I have to be accepting of the behavior of homosexuals. Never in my life have I ever gone out of my way to find a homosexual to hate on. How am i bigoted for not liking the behavior of a homosexual? I bet you dont like the behaviors of certain kinds of people, like pedophiles, rapists etc.. That make you a bigot? They are known todo certain behaviors. The bible does say to love others, regardless of their sin. Which is true. Your right, im not following the tennant of my faith? Should I? Yes. No ones perfect though little buddy, you will figure that out when you grow a little bit.

Francis, i didnt forget about you son. I will reply to your post when im off work today.

 

[porterjack]

Or you can simply not come into the thread anymore... you say there's no point in keeping it open, and I say there's no point in closing it.

you have a point, not that there is anything wrong with that

 

[retro]

You have heard everything i have to say and you cant challenge it. You just keep repeating the word bigot, and then tossing in things like Christianity into the mix that dont really have much todo with the point im arguing. Restating, I dont hate homosexuals. I strongly dislike them. Also, nowhere in the bible does it say I have to be accepting of the behavior of homosexuals. Never in my life have I ever gone out of my way to find a homosexual to hate on. How am i bigoted for not liking the behavior of a homosexual? I bet you dont like the behaviors of certain kinds of people, like pedophiles, rapists etc.. That make you a bigot? They are known todo certain behaviors. The bible does say to love others, regardless of their sin. Which is true. Your right, im not following the tennant of my faith? Should I? Yes. No ones perfect though little buddy, you will figure that out when you grow a little bit.

Francis, i didnt forget about you son. I will reply to your post when im off work today.

You apparently lack the ability to read and comprehend what is said then, because I've offered plenty of challenges and counters to the shit that you've spewed. I'm saying that you hate homosexuals because you stated that, I'm sorry but once you said it, no amount of retraction does any good --- it merely gives the appearance of you trying to save face. In the Bible, Jesus says (and I'm paraphrasing) to hate the sin and love the sinner, while you hate the sin and the sinner (sin being used in this context to describe homosexuality, because that's how you view it). You're also continuing to equate homosexuals with pedophiles, rapists, and murderers. If you view those to be the same, then you've gotta lead a really sick and twisted life.

Also --- the Bible says that you can't pick and choose what you want to follow. You can't just decide well hey, I want to hate this person, so I'm going to do that... but at the same time lay down judgment on others because they live their lives contrary to what you deem acceptable. That is a disgusting form of hypocrisy. I'm finding it freaking hilarious that you're talking down to people that are far older with far more life experience than you. Just goes to show how much of a child you really are. Live a little, and perhaps you won't be so full of hate for your fellow man.

It also seems to be the case that the people with the most hate towards homosexuals are usually the ones trying to hide from something. Thou dost protest too loudly and all of that. I'm not saying that's the case here, but... just a little food for thought.