What is your attitude to gays and lesbians?

What is your attitude to gays and lesbians?

  • I don't care.

    Votes: 37 58.7%
  • I don't care only if they don't show up their feelings in the public places.

    Votes: 5 7.9%
  • I don't like them.

    Votes: 3 4.8%
  • I don't like only gays

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I don't like only lesbians

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I think it is normal. Why not?

    Votes: 14 22.2%
  • If they tolerate to other people when i don't mind

    Votes: 2 3.2%
  • I am a gay (a lesbian)

    Votes: 2 3.2%

  • Total voters
    63

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Panacea

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Should be no problem then to show these findings ;)

"Findings"? lol, this is exactly what I mean. One cannot rely on one or even five "studies" to proclaim they know anything about homosexuality, or anything else. I have to laugh when people run off on these forums like they know anything about the subject because they found something online that says this or that. That's not how it works.

Human sexuality is a vastly complicated and intricate thing, my exposure to the topic comes from the upwards of 7 years of education, which, in this field counts for nothing. I am but a mere spectator of the humanities, with only a small understanding of the scope of human sexuality. There are thousands of studies and statistics; they conflict, they coordinate, they are redone and re-interpreted. Most of them are completely fucking useless and incredibly biased, but there are certain assumptions given a consensus.

Social science (which is shaky anyway) compiles decades worth of knowledge into a set of assumptions that are even too long to go into here. It's been classically difficult to get unbiased data and information about sexuality, because humans are still so influenced by dogma which skews the perception of sexuality one way or another. And you want "findings" :p

I can't offer you those, but the more you educate yourself, the more you read and learn and glean, the better. Be an autodidact.
 
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Damnit, can't edit my post... seriously, that shit needs to be fixed. You can't edit in some places, and other places you can edit just fine. But anyway, this is a better Philosoraptor question.

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Sorry guys, I wasnt around i had a crazy busy week going.

So because I dont like gay people it was quoted I was 'ignorant'. I looked up the definition, its lacking of knowledge,education or awareness. Up to this point no one has proved to me that a person is 100% born Gay. Therefore their behavior can be changed correct? The behavior of a homosexual offends me due to the fact it does not fit the gender norms I was raised and grew up around. The behavior of the Crack Dealer Selling rocks on my street back home offends me also, I guess im just 'ignorant'.

Im curious to know what knowledge I am lacking by not liking homosexuals. My roomate is an Asian Guy who doesnt like asian girls, he must be ignorant too? According to your logic. Do I down right hate homosexuals? No. God made them too just like me, I just dont approve of their behavior. They are a group of people that have nothing todo with my life. If I had a homosexual neighbor living next to me in the neighborhood i would tolerate him. Wheather he won the lottery and bought a mansion far away, or he got hit by a truck. I wouldent really care. I would be content he was out of my life, wheather he wins the lottery or gets hit by a truck.
 

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Sorry guys, I wasnt around i had a crazy busy week going.

So because I dont like gay people it was quoted I was 'ignorant'. I looked up the definition, its lacking of knowledge,education or awareness. Up to this point no one has proved to me that a person is 100% born Gay. Therefore their behavior can be changed correct? The behavior of a homosexual offends me due to the fact it does not fit the gender norms I was raised and grew up around. The behavior of the Crack Dealer Selling rocks on my street back home offends me also, I guess im just 'ignorant'.

Im curious to know what knowledge I am lacking by not liking homosexuals. My roomate is an Asian Guy who doesnt like asian girls, he must be ignorant too? According to your logic. Do I down right hate homosexuals? No. God made them too just like me, I just dont approve of their behavior. They are a group of people that have nothing todo with my life. If I had a homosexual neighbor living next to me in the neighborhood i would tolerate him. Wheather he won the lottery and bought a mansion far away, or he got hit by a truck. I wouldent really care. I would be content he was out of my life, wheather he wins the lottery or gets hit by a truck.

you have every right to dissaprove it wasnt the norm when I was raised either, and there are a lot of topics I have strong views on and same as you I'm gonna keep saying my opinions, why the fuck not. It isnt ignorant to hate a certain group its a choice, and no one has a right to make anyone conform to what others are doing or to even accept it. Shouldnt even have to explain it.
 

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It isnt ignorant to hate a certain group its a choice,

But don't you think hating an entire group of people because of their race, gender, sexual preference, age, disabilities or religion is bigotry? I can understand hating an individual. But hating an entire group of people because of who they are is wrong.

In a free country, we can't arrest people for bigotry. It is their right, provided they don't discriminate. For example, Doc has the right to hate gays as long as he provides the same medical care for them as everyone else. However, I think it is appropriate for society to shun bigots. It's not behavior we want to encourage. Bigotry usually leads to discrimination.
 

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But don't you think hating an entire group of people because of their race, gender, sexual preference, age, disabilities or religion is bigotry? I can understand hating an individual. But hating an entire group of people because of who they are is wrong.

In a free country, we can't arrest people for bigotry. It is their right, provided they don't discriminate. For example, Doc has the right to hate gays as long as he provides the same medical care for them as everyone else. However, I think it is appropriate for society to shun bigots. It's not behavior we want to encourage. Bigotry usually leads to discrimination.

I actually think its worse to hate one person for who they are then an entire group, its less personal, no I dont think its bigotry its a personal feeling, one not followed by a crowd which would be bigotry imo.... Its one thing to shun someone for been an ass towards someone but another entirely to shun them for just having a mind of there own and how we are raised affects our adult opinions, good or bad. Its who we are and I for one aint apologising for been a "bigot" if thats my boot just for free speech then I'm shoving that shoe on lol :)
 

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But don't you think hating an entire group of people because of their race, gender, sexual preference, age, disabilities or religion is bigotry? I can understand hating an individual. But hating an entire group of people because of who they are is wrong.

In a free country, we can't arrest people for bigotry. It is their right, provided they don't discriminate. For example, Doc has the right to hate gays as long as he provides the same medical care for them as everyone else. However, I think it is appropriate for society to shun bigots. It's not behavior we want to encourage. Bigotry usually leads to discrimination.

First off, race, gender, and age are things a person is legit born with. Gender and age discrimination happen everyday. Theres a purpose to the madness though. Race, there really is no escuse for. Intresting note, originally during the korean/vietnam war you couldent be a medic if you were black. Anyways, you discriminate against age all the time by not providing minors beer and tobacco. Yes its a law but its also 'discrimination'. The government must be 'ignorant' in most of your eyes now. Hell, gender discrimination im a 21 year old guy and my car insurance is crazy high though i have a clean driving record. Thats gender and age discrimination, but they let it pass. Women cant have combat arms jobs in the Army, their bodies arent constructed to do certain things a male body can.

Racial Discrimination sucks, even i get it sometimes. I fought a guy at the bar yesterday over a racial comment. Shit happens.

As for disibility discrimination, i can see it justified in certain career paths. Religeous discrimination, is natural but its sort of the norm. We have this wierd guy in our squadron who thinks he is some kind of wizard or vampire or something. He worships trees and shit, and casts theese 'curses' or 'spells' and shit. Me, nor anyone i know want to be around that guy.. but in terms of civilized religeon i guess you cant discriminate against that. I dont.

Sexual Prefrence? LOL
 

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I think it is appropriate for society to shun bigots. It's not behavior we want to encourage. Bigotry usually leads to discrimination.

I agree. The freedom to express opinion comes with responsibility.
Bigots, violent people, etc...it's good to make those ugly behaviors socially unacceptable.
 

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I agree. The freedom to express opinion comes with responsibility.
Bigots, violent people, etc...it's good to make those ugly behaviors socially unacceptable.

yea see I see it as I dont see how come "society" chooses my beliefs for me lol, who the fuck should tell anyone how to feel, think, act etc. Free speech needs to go both ways, or it isnt free anymore is it, it becomes, well fuck you I'm a fag suck it up and like it or else... and thats wrong.
 

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yea see I see it as I dont see how come "society" chooses my beliefs for me

Some beliefs are immoral. Bigotry is one of them. Society doesn't force morals on people but it is naive to think society doesn't play an important role in determining morals. One way society influences morality is by shunning those who display immoral behavior. That is why many people shun bigots. Btw, I'm not calling you a bigot. I've never heard you say you hate gay people.
 

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Sorry guys, I wasnt around i had a crazy busy week going.

So because I dont like gay people it was quoted I was 'ignorant'. I looked up the definition, its lacking of knowledge,education or awareness. Up to this point no one has proved to me that a person is 100% born Gay. Therefore their behavior can be changed correct? The behavior of a homosexual offends me due to the fact it does not fit the gender norms I was raised and grew up around. The behavior of the Crack Dealer Selling rocks on my street back home offends me also, I guess im just 'ignorant'.

Im curious to know what knowledge I am lacking by not liking homosexuals. My roomate is an Asian Guy who doesnt like asian girls, he must be ignorant too? According to your logic. Do I down right hate homosexuals? No. God made them too just like me, I just dont approve of their behavior. They are a group of people that have nothing todo with my life. If I had a homosexual neighbor living next to me in the neighborhood i would tolerate him. Wheather he won the lottery and bought a mansion far away, or he got hit by a truck. I wouldent really care. I would be content he was out of my life, wheather he wins the lottery or gets hit by a truck.

You've completely missed the point... again. You're not displaying ignorance by hating homosexuals; you're displaying ignorance by acting as though it's a choice or something that can be "cured". You're also claiming that you don't "down right hate homosexuals", but earlier in the thread you said that you hate gay people. So which is it? You either hate them or you don't. Hate is hate.
 

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You've completely missed the point... again. You're not displaying ignorance by hating homosexuals; you're displaying ignorance by acting as though it's a choice or something that can be "cured". You're also claiming that you don't "down right hate homosexuals", but earlier in the thread you said that you hate gay people. So which is it? You either hate them or you don't. Hate is hate.

Ummm he is a doctor. So I would not argue with him.
 

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Ummm he is a doctor. So I would not argue with him.

1) He's not a doctor, he's a freaking 21 year old combat medic in the Army

2) I'd argue the same point with a doctor. Hell, my dad is a doctor and I've had similar discussions with him.
 

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yea see I see it as I dont see how come "society" chooses my beliefs for me lol, who the fuck should tell anyone how to feel, think, act etc. Free speech needs to go both ways, or it isnt free anymore is it, it becomes, well fuck you I'm a fag suck it up and like it or else... and thats wrong.

Again, I think we all need a First Amendment refresher course...anyway, I fully support society shunning assholes. If the majority of us didn't shun all sort of assholes, the society would collapse. Assholes who murder, we shun them. Assholes who push and shove in line at Walmart, we shun them. Helps keep order.

Some shunning I don't support. Want to dye your hair orange and wear a pin through your nose? Do it. Want to believe unicorns fly in the sky? Awesome. Want to stand up on the bus and sing oops I did it again? Cool. But if you want to hate groups of people and vote to impede their rights? Fuck off, and I'm glad it works that way.
 
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