What Is Sharia??

[The Man]

Please don't send me crap from the internet, just QUOTE the verse from the QURAN,,,
no less no more, '?

It mentions the quote

 

[mazHur]

This comes from the quran..although not all agree /however the very act stems from the reading of the quran and is widespread among muslims


http://www.religioustolerance.org/fem_cirm.htm

Again, don't play with copy-paste crap from the web, just let me have a Quote
from the Quran ......

Mr, Sharia cannot go beyond the Quran, if it does that is NOT Islam but something
else...
I have not opened your above link for the stated reason...

 

[mazHur]

It mentions the quote

Where?? You have no idea about the Quran....it is NOT there, have a look again and please
be explicit...I hate trolls.

 

[The Man]

but you stated you didnt open it

 

[Alien Allen]

Where?? You have no idea about the Quran....it is NOT there, have a look again and please
be explicit...I hate trolls.

Now coming from you that was hilarious :24::24::24:

 

[mazHur]

Saudi Arabia...pretty much Islamic
here is what to expect when one gets old as a dedicated Muslim

http://trailerparkjokes.com/muslim/Saudi%2075%20yr%20old%20lady%20prison%20for%202%20boys%20going%20to%20store%20for%20her.mp4

I have no idea if and when that may have happened (or not happened) but that is condemnable
if it did.

As I have been repeatedly saying in this thread or elsewhere, Saudi law is Orthodox law the same as
observed by the Taliban's. It's a pity that super powers go bombing the Talibs but ignore Saudia
obviously for good reasons no more a secret!!

According to the best of my knowledge an aged woman is
not required to veil or wear burqa. She is also not stopped from going out alone if
she needed to accomplish her errands. I don't understand what could be the circumstances
in her case that led to punishment by the Saudis..? perhaps the matter relates more to custom and
culture rather than religion...I have known such thing happen anywhere...

As Kimmy stated in one of her posts Islam focuses on FAMILY rather than SEX...
and Muslim men and women are barred from premarital sex. Segregation of sexes is not
totally banned but proper veiling is bidden for women who work in offices or who have to move around.
Condition of escort (not by a stranger) for young women is not a religious command but is subject
to socio-cultural structure or custom...for example, a woman needs an escort in Afghanistan, Pakistan,
or Somalia but not in Japan, Uk, or South Africa, etc just for those reasons.


Breast feeding: If a woman breast suckles a baby or a small suckling he spontaneously
becomes her son...or daughter and they cannot inter-marry with any of her children.


As I said Sharia is a two-way system...If any Muslim state cannot give Rights it can
Neither ask them Duties!! Simple as enough but if someone, say Saudia, does that
you have no reason to malign Islam. Islam is by the Quran as Christianity is by the
Bible!! Rest is secondary and controversial.

 

[mazHur]

but you stated you didnt open it

yes, i didn't.

Are you listening or am I talking French??
Just show me the relevant verse from the Quran...

 

[mazHur]

Now coming from you that was hilarious :24::24::24:

very smart!!
Are you here for a debate or a a a a a ?

 

[porterjack]

are you trying to put words in my mouth? i have never said islams teachings are evil, you seem to keep suggesting they are and that i should point them out

please show me where in this thread or elsewhere i have said such

please respond

 

[Zorak]

please respond

i'm still waiting too, but that was about 5 pages ago. And I've forgotten now what it was. Touche mazhur.

 

[mazHur]

please respond

I thought i had responded to this -if not there is nothing to worry
about if you didn't say that.

The debate has been going too fast----and sorry if had got mixed up at any time and have related
evil to you rather than what you might have heard about Islam (did you mean this??)

 

[mazHur]

i'm still waiting too, but that was about 5 pages ago. And I've forgotten now what it was. Touche mazhur.

i try to respond to each and every answerable post but...
anyway could you plz remind me what you are looking for??

 

[The Man]

I have no idea if and when that may have happened (or not happened) but that is condemnable
if it did.

As I have been repeatedly saying in this thread or elsewhere, Saudi law is Orthodox law the same as
observed by the Taliban's. It's a pity that super powers go bombing the Talibs but ignore Saudia
obviously for good reasons no more a secret!!

According to the best of my knowledge an aged woman is
not required to veil or wear burqa. She is also not stopped from going out alone if
she needed to accomplish her errands. I don't understand what could be the circumstances
in her case that led to punishment by the Saudis..? perhaps the matter relates more to custom and
culture rather than religion...I have known such thing happen anywhere...

As Kimmy stated in one of her posts Islam focuses on FAMILY rather than SEX...
and Muslim men and women are barred from premarital sex. Segregation of sexes is not
totally banned but proper veiling is bidden for women who work in offices or who have to move around.
Condition of escort (not by a stranger) for young women is not a religious command but is subject
to socio-cultural structure or custom...for example, a woman needs an escort in Afghanistan, Pakistan,
or Somalia but not in Japan, Uk, or South Africa, etc just for those reasons.


Breast feeding: If a woman breast suckles a baby or a small suckling he spontaneously
becomes her son...or daughter and they cannot inter-marry with any of her children.


As I said Sharia is a two-way system...If any Muslim state cannot give Rights it can
Neither ask them Duties!! Simple as enough but if someone, say Saudia, does that
you have no reason to malign Islam. Islam is by the Quran as Christianity is by the
Bible!! Rest is secondary and controversial.

Or it happened...many articles have been written on it is why the video was made
Saudi is pure Islam..I think we tend to agree on that.

Now with sharia law and the quran basically being one as sharia law is based from the quran.
The quran is the law...the law is sharia law...agreed.

Now with saudia arabia being pure with islam...is this not role model of what to expect with sharia law?
Yes it is...just as with the Taliban..pure Islam and a true following.

If you claim that Saudi Arabia is incorrect in the application of sharia this would be contradictory as Saudi Arabia is much like the Taliban for it is pure.

Now with the pureness of Islam and adherence to the Quran ...how can the Saudis practice this against the elderly?.

If you claim the application is incorrect by the Saudis then where is sharia law protecting the innocent?

You claim that sharia is good...but agree that when pure Islam is followed such as by the Taliban as The Saudis it is bad?

Do we pick and choose what we want to be a true follower of Islam.....It appears than it its pure form you are not supportive

 

[mazHur]

13530]Or it happened...many articles have been written on it is why the video was made
Saudi is pure Islam..I think we tend to agree on that.

No...that is NO valid ground for it to be true or authentic..hence denied.

Now with sharia law and the quran basically being one as sharia law is based from the quran.
The quran is the law...the law is sharia law...agreed.

1.
If a is equal to b
and b is equal to c
therefore a =c
this works best in science, not religion wherever you cannot reach a single conclusion.

2.
Catholics are Christians
Protestants are Christians

therefore Catholics are Protestants!!
Do you agree??

(where is Kimmy the Logician?

Your logic is wrong...and your QED is denied as false.

Quran is above ALL Sharia..
Quran is the Unchangeable Word of God, It hasn't changed
a speck over the last 1400 years or more!!
Sharia is Human deductions and interpretations and changes from time to time
--- kinda Muslim Jurisprudence. It is controversial and not accepted by All Muslims...

For example, if I tell you to interpret the Quran you will do it
according to your skills and whims and prejudices and I will not accept it.

Likewise if you asked me to interpret the Bible, torah or Talmud, I will do it according to my sense,
knowledge or whims and prejudices. will you accept is then??

Even if there was no prejudice involved in our respective interpretations the varying degrees of human
knowledge and capabilities will surely make it fallacious .....because no one is expert in all
arts and sciences or languages!

Now with saudia arabia being pure with islam...is this not role model of what to expect with sharia law?
Yes it is...just as with the Taliban..pure Islam and a true following.

No.... if given the chance Iran will take it over!! Pakistani hate the kinda Saudia compromise
on sharia for imperial upkeep...they are like Protestants...taking every word of the Quran literally
but they chose Punishments and Retributions only to serve their imperial purpose setting aside the
other commands!
Saudi type of Islam is hated by the majority ....only the Talibans are for it and you are already screwing
them up (why not Saudia?? Oil??)

If you claim that Saudi Arabia is incorrect in the application of sharia this would be contradictory as Saudi Arabia is much like the Taliban for it is pure.

Now with the pureness of Islam and adherence to the Quran ...how can the Saudis practice this against the elderly?.

Saudia is using pick and choose method of Islam to serve its imperial rule and you are
supporting it otherwise Iran would be the first one to gulp it!
Muslims are lax over Saudi version because they revere Mecca and Medina which are located
there as Sacred and ALL MUslims of the world regardless of their sects, cast and creed
are ONE in regard to protecting it...this provides a sense of security to the Saudis..as they do not
fear any harm to Mecca and Medina at the hands of Muslims (although there is a group of Saudi cousins
who are against the present saudi regime and conspire to take it over--but in any case they wont harm
Mecca and Medina and other sacred places there)

If you claim the application is incorrect by the Saudis then where is sharia law protecting the innocent?

No Muslim country has Sharia law enforced in its true form ...Saudia also enforces some
handpicked Sharia rules which suit its vested interest

You claim that sharia is good...but agree that when pure Islam is followed such as by the Taliban as The Saudis it is bad?

Sharia in its entirety is good provided it complies with the correct interpretation of Quranic
laws without adding personal prejudices to the law. Because of this Muslims have different kinds
of Sharia...acceptable to one and rejected by the other. For example the Sunni Muslim believe in
Sharia of Muhammad whereas the Shias believe only in the Sharia of Ali, the Aga Khanis believe
in the Sharia of god knows what and hold Aga khan kinda their god!!! Thus given the diversity of
Sharia among Muslim the only one thing that is acceptable to all |Muslims is the One and the Only
Quran but here again every sect translates and interprets it according to its whims and motives.

Do we pick and choose what we want to be a true follower of Islam.....It appears than it its pure form you are not supportive

No.. it's bad to pick and choose out of context to give it a favorite hue...but some Muslims do it to
outwelter or create mischief among different sects of muslims...

Muslims usually observe Sharia voluntarily or according to the sect they belong to
but in all cases good Muslim or skeptic Muslims learn the Quran and go by its commands
without recourse to any secondary treatise or reliance on the Mullah priest or mufti ..
The Quranic laws are very explicit and specific in many matters....any one can understand them with
open mind and clear conscience. i know a couple of American whites converted to Islam and they are
very staunch in their new religion....

Muslims do not compulsarily pay anything to the Mosque or the |Mullahs....everything is voluntary
and subject to free will..

 

[porterjack]

I thought i had responded to this -if not there is nothing to worry
about if you didn't say that.

The debate has been going too fast----and sorry if had got mixed up at any time and have related
evil to you rather than what you might have heard about Islam (did you mean this??)

i accept your apology but even in aplogising you twist the words, to refresh your memory i was talking about my palestinian friend who did not want his wife and daughters to live under sharia law in saudi and now lives in canada, read back if you wish.

 

[The Man]

No...that is NO valid ground for it to be true or authentic..hence denied.[/B]



1.
If a is equal to b
and b is equal to c
therefore a =c
this works best in science, not religion wherever you cannot reach a single conclusion.

2.
Catholics are Christians
Protestants are Christians

therefore Catholics are Protestants!!
Do you agree??

(where is Kimmy the Logician?

Your logic is wrong...and your QED is denied as false.

Quran is above ALL Sharia..
Quran is the Unchangeable Word of God, It hasn't changed
a speck over the last 1400 years or more!!
Sharia is Human deductions and interpretations and changes from time to time
--- kinda Muslim Jurisprudence. It is controversial and not accepted by All Muslims...

For example, if I tell you to interpret the Quran you will do it
according to your skills and whims and prejudices and I will not accept it.

Likewise if you asked me to interpret the Bible, torah or Talmud, I will do it according to my sense,
knowledge or whims and prejudices. will you accept is then??

Even if there was no prejudice involved in our respective interpretations the varying degrees of human
knowledge and capabilities will surely make it fallacious .....because no one is expert in all
arts and sciences or languages!



No.... if given the chance Iran will take it over!! Pakistani hate the kinda Saudia compromise
on sharia for imperial upkeep...they are like Protestants...taking every word of the Quran literally
but they chose Punishments and Retributions only to serve their imperial purpose setting aside the
other commands!
Saudi type of Islam is hated by the majority ....only the Talibans are for it and you are already screwing
them up (why not Saudia?? Oil??)



Saudia is using pick and choose method of Islam to serve its imperial rule and you are
supporting it otherwise Iran would be the first one to gulp it!
Muslims are lax over Saudi version because they revere Mecca and Medina which are located
there as Sacred and ALL MUslims of the world regardless of their sects, cast and creed
are ONE in regard to protecting it...this provides a sense of security to the Saudis..as they do not
fear any harm to Mecca and Medina at the hands of Muslims (although there is a group of Saudi cousins
who are against the present saudi regime and conspire to take it over--but in any case they wont harm
Mecca and Medina and other sacred places there)




No Muslim country has Sharia law enforced in its true form ...Saudia also enforces some
handpicked Sharia rules which suit its vested interest



Sharia in its entirety is good provided it complies with the correct interpretation of Quranic
laws without adding personal prejudices to the law. Because of this Muslims have different kinds
of Sharia...acceptable to one and rejected by the other. For example the Sunni Muslim believe in
Sharia of Muhammad whereas the Shias believe only in the Sharia of Ali, the Aga Khanis believe
in the Sharia of god knows what and hold Aga khan kinda their god!!! Thus given the diversity of
Sharia among Muslim the only one thing that is acceptable to all |Muslims is the One and the Only
Quran but here again every sect translates and interprets it according to its whims and motives.




No.. it's bad to pick and choose out of context to give it a favorite hue...but some Muslims do it to
outwelter or create mischief among different sects of muslims...

Muslims usually observe Sharia voluntarily or according to the sect they belong to
but in all cases good Muslim or skeptic Muslims learn the Quran and go by its commands
without recourse to any secondary treatise or reliance on the Mullah priest or mufti ..
The Quranic laws are very explicit and specific in many matters....any one can understand them with
open mind and clear conscience. i know a couple of American whites converted to Islam and they are
very staunch in their new religion....

Muslims do not compulsarily pay anything to the Mosque or the |Mullahs....everything is voluntary
and subject to free will..

How are you going to deny credible news sources from various countries?
Just because it is not news in your local...you have to remember that many countries do not restrict the news..in other words in parts of Europe and the united states it is not a crime to have negative news about Islam..Why not?.......No sharia law....they tell the news and live....wonderful isnt it
Are you in sin for associating with an infidel?..many members on here...does the quran not forbid this.
If not then how can that be a misinterpretation?...isnt it wonderful to be sinning here on the board lol

You claim saudi sharia is hated..why? sharia law comes from the quran..this is why stoning and amputations occur.
Saudi is not picking and choosing other nations may be..if you are in not of full support of sharia law then how can you be in support of sharia?

You claim the quran is unchangeable but yet claim its mis used by the saudis..if it is unchangeable then how can you off the argument of misinterpretations of the quran?

So you either support it fully or you dont...you seem to only support that of which you choose...thus showing it has serious flaws

You also claim that no country enforces sharia in its true form.....Are you stating than saudi is also being lenient with sharia?

You claim muslims are lax over the Saudi version..why?..to harsh?...but isnt this what sharia law is all about?...saudis hand out punishment from the quran..are you against not following the quran now?

You also claim different sects interpret the quran differently....which one is right?...do we cut off a hand bases upon the interpretation of some?

Why so many different interpretations?..........isnt that picking and choosing to the liking>>this is not fully following the Quran?

Our book..is divided into the old testament and the new testament..our old testament was much like the quran from my understanding...we now use the new testement.

We do not use the book for the law..this is the main difference ....we only use it has a value system
no killing no stealing etc.......however no punishment is handed out by anything written in the book.

This is where sharia law and west law differ...our book is refused to be made into the law.

While I am for no stealing etc..I am not for cutting off the hand for such...especially since no substantiated evidence needed.

While we may be modeled slightly the same we have the need for credible evidence etc...this is where sharia is flawed...while laws are needed...the innocent also need to be protected...the word of a man is the same as the word of a woman here for example.

Sharia need to be dead and use a more modern system for justice ..innocent need to be protected..such as child cutting and protections for the old from abuse

 

[Alien Allen]

Good luck Man

Pretty hard to argue with a troll

 

[The Man]

at least I am getting responses ...took a while though

 

[Guyzerr]

Good luck Man

Pretty hard to argue with a troll

The last time I went trolling I just hung it out, walked backwards and caught me a cocksucker. ijs.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

If you want to call each other names and trolls, do it in a fucking personal message because I'm so tired of waking up in the morning flicking back through the thread to catch up and finding worthless junk and name-calling and nothing on the mother fucking topic.
If you want to be clear, both maz and the rest of you name-called, but you shouldn't gang up on each other. Honestly, how childish, you're taking this whole internet thing so fucking seriously, it's about as sad as the old fart who came through my checkout at work pissed off because he couldn't find the fucking gravy!!

Fucking troll my arse, if you ask me, you are all acting like trolls


By the way that thing maz posted about:
A is B.
B is C.
Therefore A is C.

I think that is wrong because you're asserting the consequence.