then it makes for a really shitty topic for a philosophy thread or debate thread.
we get it you have a boner for Islam for no reason except for the fact that no one else does. Rebel with the best of em!
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then it makes for a really shitty topic for a philosophy thread or debate thread.
we get it you have a boner for Islam for no reason except for the fact that no one else does. Rebel with the best of em!
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I'll have whatever view I like. If you actually read everything I said, I don't say anything about supporting it, but rather just letting it be, and that I am not going to try and change the fact that they have Sharia Law. But you take this as supporting them? Well it's not supporting them, you interpreted that wrong didn't you now.
you shouldn't complain at my 'weak explanation' while acknowledging it at the same time.
There is no harm in reminding if someone forgets something...after all why do banks send
dunning letters of calls to credit call holders??
There are some westernized or other sectarian Muslims who do not want Sharia because
1 Sharia does not have a single connotation for different sects of Muslims
2 those who emigrate to America etc want to avail better
opportunities (education, jobs, independence, 'sport'. etc) available there
3 they are a fail in their own countries
4. they want to make pounds and dollars..
5. others.
Ask your Palestinian friend if he allows his daughter or sister to go out dating with
other men?? Ask her daughter to accompany you to dance? Tell him to eat pork.
On the contrary he will feel no qualms of conscience flirting with any White girl there..
Check out for answers and let me know.
pity some people get so easily pissed off at difference of opinion!
Unfortunately all you information is based on media propaganda...whereas I KNOW it from
practical observation and honest conviction.
If people didn't want the Sharia (question being WHIC Sharia??) the Muslims wouldn't have
left behind in the race!! Until 12 century known as the Golden Age of Muslims there was greatly
ONE Sharia and that was the reason of Muslim uprising and achievement.
I think if they get back to those values they can again turn the world upside down!! Just think....
Are you in sin
My best of friends were either Christians or Jews and I still have some of them...they are very
honorable people and I hate to call them infidels.
Relating to one treaty or war with Jews the Quran says don't befriend Jews and Christians because
they are co-valent against Muslims...that is how things went during wars!! A Muslim will not kill
any innocent person ---Forgiveness is superior to taking revenge....that is forbidden by the Quran
You must view things in their right perspective as out of context everything will
appear distorted.
For a good Muslim character, for one study the life of Saladin ....and see how he treated his
Christian foes during Crusades!!
You claim saudi sharia is hated..why? sharia law comes from the quran..this is why stoning and amputations occur.
Saudi is not picking and choosing other nations may be..if you are in not of full support of sharia law then how can you be in support of sharia?
Quran is not Science that cannot be interpreted in another way.
Just like the Bible the Quran is interpreted differently by many schools of thought hence its various
sects.
Quran is not changeable in the sense that NOT even a dot in it has been changed
for more than 1400 years! Everybody reads the same Quran from Australia to China
to Africa to America and Alaska !! Yet Muslims differ in its interpretation and creating a row among themselves. It sounds as how posters here are dealing with my EnglishConfusing, eh?
Saudia mainly follows the 'punishment' code ...and that is bad.
Sharia is enforceable ONLY in a true Islamic Welfare State....of which there is NONE!
Muslims do not want to interfere with the Saudi laws... firstly because
most Muslim countries are poor and depend on Saudi charity, secondly they revere
Saudia as holy land, thirdly why should they interfere with the Saudi Kings affairs when they know
they are not doing anything wrong to curb crime?? At lest their justice system is
equitable for all...
nobody cuts nobody's hands .....because there is NO Muslim welfare state which
could afford Rights and then ask for Duties!!
Go to Saudia and see for yourself nobody can dare steal anything from anywhere
---they don't even bother to lock their shops!! Is that possible in America or elsewhere??
there could be many reasons for that.
Everybody says things as he feels...for reasons of misunderstanding, lack of adequate
knowledge, propaganda, ulterior motives and mala fide intentions, for establishing his own
authority, power, misleading, politics, etc etc
The best way as I know is to read and understand it yourself with open mind.....and do
you own interpretation using facts and your common sense!!
Quraninc tenets are NOT followed completely in any country or governance ( states like
Kingdom of Saudia excluded) ..but we have no division
in the Quran, ALL Muslims accept it completely as it is.
The punishments prescribed in the Quran may seem crude in present modern world
...Okay i will tell them to stop stoning and resort to chair or injections!!
look at the essence of what is said not how it is said and who said it...
though america is a democratic and secular state yet there is strong religious sentiment
against one another. However I appreciate how strongly America sticks to its Constitution
principle regarding religious minorities and that is commendable.
On the contrary If a country constitutionally asserted itself
as Kingdom, dictatorship or a Muslim state that is understood to be with silent or
active consent of the people who live there....or for political reasons.
this shouldn't be taken to malign the religion itself for the fault of its adherents.
All Muslim states except Saudia and UAE follow the British legal and political system....
Due to lack of education or literacy (circumstantial contingency??) you may need a scribe
or two women and a man to attest the
CONTRACT. In rest of the case the evidence is EQUAL....
But women\s witness is treated as equal in all matters of criminal and civil law
Sharia need to be dead and use a more modern system for justice ..innocent need to be protected..such as child cutting and protections for the old from abuse
those are simply allegations ...not edicts of Islam.
Muslim have a familial system and no one misbehaves with the elderly..if he does that\s
not Islamic!!
Islamic justice system is the Best provided it is enforced. In this system you won't have to
lock your homes or shops or business centres when going out, the whole responsibility then
rests with the Islamic state. No woman would feel harassed, no child abuse, no shit of any kind!!
he has no sistser
his daughter is seven
he does not flirt, he is devoted to his wife
i would never insult him with the pork question, what is all this meant to prove
do you think becasue he shuns what he thinks is oppressive he is a bad muslim, shame on you
why be ashamed at going out with a girl??
you didn't tell me about his family size before, your fault. He must be having some adult
female cousin then??
So, he doesn't flirt! you mean to say he is an Orthodox Muslim?
WTF is he then doing in America??
what does this mean ? I have no idea of the relevance to this statement, you inferred he would not let his sister or daughter date a non muslim, i told you he has no sister and that his daughter is seven, where have i suggested there is shame in going out with a girl?
dont be so antagonistic, i realise English is not your first language
quite possibly, again what relvance, i think you infer that he still wants to influence some control over female family members
surely even moderate muslims can be true to their wives?
the whole point of me introducing my friend from palestine is to illustrate that some moderate muslims, and there are many of them in Canada do not always abide by the strict code of sharia law, this particular friend left saudi for that very reason, yet he leads a peaceful life his wife and he are both educated professionals and i have much respect for him
and you know full well i live in Canada not America, i sometimes think you are being deliberately difficult - frankly i am not surprised in the aggressive reponses you illicit from others on this board
I see little point in continuing this and i bid you peace
First of all I didn't know until now that you were a Canadian...but what difference does
it make as aren't we all human beings?? and what's wrong with being inadvertently referred to as
an American??
As regards your Muslim Palestinian friend I just wanted you to check out his Sharia,
whatever you may think of him he won't step out of HIS Sharia as a Muslim!!
He will never adopt your culture or mix up with it even if he
lived there for a thousand years because of his religious and cultural differences!!
This also holds true for moderate Muslims....they are there for better prospects only
otherwise who doesn't like his own country??
The filthy rich and arrogant Arabs don't take kindly
to Palestinians or other Muslims....yet they are the ones who provide financial help and safe quarter to Palestinians in distress.
Forget about my English -if you or others like you cannot comprehend it that's not my fault.
Most members here do....which proves they are good at
comprehension and are more intelligent and enlightened.
now then,enlighten us all in the muslim way.....how many died in the world trade center and the london bombings,and what were they guilty of?
Enough has already been discussed about that tragedy on different
forums and perhaps even
at this one.
BTW I recall having posted a video on some other thread (perhaps Quran burning) just watch
it for your 'enlightenment'!
This thread is related to Sharia and Not 9/11....am I right??I hope you will understand my Dutch
this time.....I have no interest in going thru that beaten track again and again!
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Some Noble Verses From the Holy Quran that deal with peace and humanity:
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"
"On that account: We ordained for the Children of Israel that if any one slew a person - unless it be for murder or for spreading mischief in the land - it would be as if he slew the whole people: and if any one saved a life, it would be as if he saved the life of the whole people. Then although there came to them Our apostles with clear signs, yet, even after that, many of them continued to commit excesses in the land. (The Noble Quran, 5:32)"
"Those who invoke not, with God, any other god, nor slay such life as God has made sacred except for just cause, nor commit fornication; - and any that does this (not only) meets punishment. (But) the Penalty on the Day Of Judgement will be doubled To him, and he will dwell Therein in ignominy. (The Noble Quran, 25:68-69)" "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in God: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things). (The Noble Quran, 8:61)"
"If thou dost stretch thy hand against me, to slay me, it is not for me to stretch my hand against thee to slay thee: for I do fear God, the cherisher of the worlds. (The Noble Quran, 5:28)"
"God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)"
"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for God. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy handhold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things. (The Noble Quran, 2:256)"
"Again and again will those who disbelieve, wish that they had bowed (to God's will) in Islam. Leave them alone, to enjoy (the good things of this life) and to please themselves: let (false) hope amuse them: soon will knowledge (undeceive them). (The Noble Quran, 15:2-3)"
"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"
"If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then COMPEL mankind, against their will, to believe! (The Noble Quran, 10:99)"
What the Holy Quran says about children's duty towards Parents and others!!!!
"Your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him, and that you be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honor." - Surah Al Isra (17:23).
"And We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him, and in years twain was his weaning: (hear the command), "Show gratitude to Me and to your parents: to Me is (your final) return." [Quran 31:14]
"Your Lord hath decreed that you worship none but Him, and that you be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour. And, out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say: My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood." [Quran 17:23]
"...Be grateful to Me and to both your parents; to Me is the eventual coming. But if they strive to make thee join in worship with Me things of which you have no knowledge, obey them not; yet bear them company in this life with justice (and consideration), and follow the way of those who turn to Me (in love): in the end the return of you all is to Me, then will I inform you of what you did." [Quran 31:15]
"Worship Allaah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allaah loves not the arrogant, the vainglorious." [Quran 4:36]
"Your Lord has decreed that you worship none but Him, and that you be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honor." - Surah Al Isra (17:23).
"And We have enjoined on man (to be good) to his parents: in travail upon travail did his mother bear him, and in years twain was his weaning: (hear the command), "Show gratitude to Me and to your parents: to Me is (your final) return." [Quran 31:14]
"Your Lord hath decreed that you worship none but Him, and that you be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in your life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour. And, out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say: My Lord! Bestow on them Your Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood." [Quran 17:23]
"...Be grateful to Me and to both your parents; to Me is the eventual coming. But if they strive to make thee join in worship with Me things of which you have no knowledge, obey them not; yet bear them company in this life with justice (and consideration), and follow the way of those who turn to Me (in love): in the end the return of you all is to Me, then will I inform you of what you did." [Quran 31:15]
"Worship Allaah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allaah loves not the arrogant, the vainglorious." [Quran 4:36]
Islamic Law of Inheritance.
http://www.detailedquran.com/quran_data/Understanding the Law of Inheritance of the Quran.htm
http://www.detailedquran.com/quran_data/Understanding the Law of Inheritance of the Quran.htm
Quran on accusing chaste women!
The Noble Qur'an - An-Nur 24:4-9
The Noble Qur'an - An-Nur 24:4-9
And those who accuse chaste women, and produce not four witnesses, flog them with eighty stripes, and reject their testimony forever, they indeed are the Fasiqun (liars, rebellious, disobedient to Allah).
Except those who repent thereafter and do righteous deeds, (for such) verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
As for those who accuse their wives, but have no witnesses except themselves, let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies (i.e. testifies four times) by Allah that he is one of those who speak the truth.
And the fifth (testimony) (should be) the invoking of the Curse of Allah on him if he be of those who tell a lie (against her).
But it shall avert the punishment (of stoning to death) from her, if she bears witness four times by Allah, that he (her husband) is telling a lie.
And the fifth (testimony) should be that the Wrath ofAllah be upon her if he (her husband) speaks the truth.
Except those who repent thereafter and do righteous deeds, (for such) verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
As for those who accuse their wives, but have no witnesses except themselves, let the testimony of one of them be four testimonies (i.e. testifies four times) by Allah that he is one of those who speak the truth.
And the fifth (testimony) (should be) the invoking of the Curse of Allah on him if he be of those who tell a lie (against her).
But it shall avert the punishment (of stoning to death) from her, if she bears witness four times by Allah, that he (her husband) is telling a lie.
And the fifth (testimony) should be that the Wrath ofAllah be upon her if he (her husband) speaks the truth.
We are not here to decide which religion is right and which is wrong. We are here to discuss what a
religion truly says and remove misunderstandings for a common goal, viz World Peace
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