What I think needs to be done about oversized trucks and SUV's.

[Peter Parka]

I think we all whored this one up, lets get back on topic.

This is probably on topic and there are alot of car buffs here who know more than me about this subject, let it continue!

 

[All Else Failed]

Its a privilege to drive, not to own whatever you want. I did understand your proposal. Taking away someone's choice to drive what they want is, well un-American. Since when is owning a Vehicle a privilege?

It's really not. Owning a vehicle is a luxury, not a right or freedom. Just like buying alcohol is, owning a house a vehicle etc etc.

 

[All Else Failed]

*Sounds the buzzer*

Sorry, no it doesn't.

My brother has a 96 Astro 4.3L V6 van as a work truck. 13-16 mpg.

I had a 99 Windstar 3.0L V6, 17-20 mpg.

I don't like Hummers, but I see no problems with 'soccer moms' driving pickup trucks, because pickup trucks are versatile vehicles which can be used to haul things.

What I don't get is, do you think that everytime the mom or whoever takes their truck out they should be hauling something to be able to drive it or what? They bought a pickup because it will come in handy every now and then.

My dad's GMC safari gets around 24 MPG, and around 19-20 with a full load. Thats STILL BETTER than 12 or 14 MPG.


Like I said, if you actually do a lot of heavy hauling, you would have a special license for it. Bringing your dirt bikes to the track once or twice a month or "finding it handy" every now and then isn't a reason to own a massive truck at all.


Vans are versatile also. More versatile if you ask me.

 

[All Else Failed]

Really? Cool! Be sure to give me it's towing capacity and stuff. You might be on to something.

And I posted that link to pre-emptively for those who may clamor "SUV'S ARE SAFER!!!!"

No, they're not.

Well like I said, my dad's GMC safari can tow a large trailer and a Honda 500 ATV all the while having a dozen or so 50 lb bags of concrete in the back.


Also, its common sense that a lower vehicle is less likely to flip. Its physics.

 

[All Else Failed]

I'll just keep my mouth shut and wait for someone whom I knows that drives a big rig to come on and state their opinion on this matter

Well if they work for a trucking company, they have a use for a truck. No argument there.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

My dad's GMC safari gets around 24 MPG, and around 19-20 with a full load. Thats STILL BETTER than 12 or 14 MPG.


Like I said, if you actually do a lot of heavy hauling, you would have a special license for it. Bringing your dirt bikes to the track once or twice a month or "finding it handy" every now and then isn't a reason to own a massive truck at all.


Vans are versatile also. More versatile if you ask me.

I was just making the point that a Van gets no better gas mileage than most decently sized trucks.

BUT... I couldn't fit 4x8x1/2" drywall in my minivan. I needed a full sized cargo van or a pickup to get it home. Full sized cargo vans aren't going to net 20+ mpg.

There is a reason to own a massive truck, and everyone is going to use it how they see fit. I don't enjoy being behind them on the road, but they have every right to drive it.

 

[NightWarrior]

I was just making the point that a Van gets no better gas mileage than most decently sized trucks.

BUT... I couldn't fit 4x8x1/2" drywall in my minivan. I needed a full sized cargo van or a pickup to get it home. Full sized cargo vans aren't going to net 20+ mpg.

There is a reason to own a massive truck, and everyone is going to use it how they see fit. I don't enjoy being behind them on the road, but they have every right to drive it.

I don't mind being behind them, makes for good drafting.

 

[All Else Failed]

I was just making the point that a Van gets no better gas mileage than most decently sized trucks.

BUT... I couldn't fit 4x8x1/2" drywall in my minivan. I needed a full sized cargo van or a pickup to get it home. Full sized cargo vans aren't going to net 20+ mpg.

There is a reason to own a massive truck, and everyone is going to use it how they see fit. I don't enjoy being behind them on the road, but they have every right to drive it.

A lot of them do. Just walk into a car sale lot any day and look at the stickers. There are different kinds of vans. I'm talking about family minivans and slightly bigger vans like a GMC safari.


Haha, funny you should mention drywall. I just came back from Home depot with 4 sheets of half inch drywall that was 6 feet long and I could fit it into the back of my GMC with hardly any problem, I just had to move the front seats up like, 2 inches.


They don't have a right to drive a truck.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

They don't have a right to drive a truck.

So what you're saying is this;

They have the money. They have the credit, but they shouldn't be allowed to buy the vehicle of their choice?

 

[NightWarrior]

A lot of them do. Just walk into a car sale lot any day and look at the stickers. There are different kinds of vans. I'm talking about family minivans and slightly bigger vans like a GMC safari.


Haha, funny you should mention drywall. I just came back from Home depot with 4 sheets of half inch drywall that was 6 feet long and I could fit it into the back of my GMC with hardly any problem, I just had to move the front seats up like, 2 inches.


They don't have a right to drive a truck.

They make drywall in 6ft sheets at Home Depot? Thats an odd size to be sure.

 

[All Else Failed]

So what you're saying is this;

They have the money. They have the credit, but they shouldn't be allowed to buy the vehicle of their choice?

They have the luxury of buying a vehicle. They have no RIGHT or freedom that is set in concrete to have a truck. Its a privilege.


My plan is totally optional, so if they want to keep their truck they can.

 

[All Else Failed]

They make drywall in 6ft sheets at Home Depot? Thats an odd size to be sure.

We had them cut it to specific dimensions when we were there. I'm putting in a new window with my father and we need new drywall because we had to rip out the old stuff.

 

[NightWarrior]

They have the luxury of buying a vehicle. They have no RIGHT or freedom that is set in concrete to have a truck. Its a privilege.


My plan is totally optional, so if they want to keep their truck they can.

Granted, the forefathers knew nothing of trucks when writing up the old Constitution. However, they make no mention of it not being a freedom, so it is open to any interpretation... No where is it written that it is a privilege to own anything. Your just being silly now.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

They have the luxury of buying a vehicle. They have no RIGHT or freedom that is set in concrete to have a truck. Its a privilege.


My plan is totally optional, so if they want to keep their truck they can.

There is no law forbidding people from buying whatever luxury vehicles they want; therefore, it's their right to buy what they want. Last I knew this country was a democracy.

 

[All Else Failed]

Granted, the forefathers knew nothing of trucks when writing up the old Constitution. However, they make no mention of it not being a freedom, so it is open to any interpretation... No where is it written that it is a privilege to own anything. Your just being silly now.

Freedoms are essential to keep democracy alive, thats what they are there for. I would hardly say that being able to buy a hummer could be considered a "right". It doesn't qualify. Of course the constitution is vague on many things, but i don't think the builders of our nation would be stupid enough to say "people have the right to buy a truck because they want to even though they don't need it".

 

[All Else Failed]

There is no law forbidding people from buying whatever luxury vehicles they want; therefore, it's their right to buy what they want. Last I knew this country was a democracy.

Can you find me where it says that in the bill of rights????

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Can you find me where it says that in the bill of rights????

/ridiculous rebuttal. ^

Can you find me where it says driving a truck is a luxury and not your right, in the bill of rights?

No you can't. So, give me a break.

 

[NightWarrior]

Can you find me where it says that in the bill of rights????

Can you point me to where it says the opposite then?

 

[All Else Failed]

/ridiculous rebuttal. ^

Can you find me where it says driving a truck is a luxury and not your right, in the bill of rights?

No you can't. So, give me a break.

Its not ridiculous. RIGHTS are for the preservation of democracy and free people. I fail to see how buying a vehicle you don't need is a right.

 

[All Else Failed]

Can you point me to where it says the opposite then?

So you're saying you have the right to but whatever you want as long as no arbitrary laws say you can't, and thats ok because its not specifically mentioned in the bill of rights, which has nothing to do with consumerism