What I think needs to be done about oversized trucks and SUV's.

[IntruderLS1]

My world of anarchy? I don't even subscribe to it in any way. I'm a democratic socialist. I just like certain points the ideology makes.

You're right. I was wrong to mis-understand you. I've corrected myself on this once before, but because you're the only person I know who talkes about the goodness of it, I lost the ball.

I can tell you don't understand it at all, due to your apparent anger. People only get angry over things like this because they don't understand it. Do yourself a favor and go read one of the dozens of books that have been written on how a anarchist society would be run. There out there.

Just because it pisses me off doesn't mean I don understand it. To be tottally honest with you, I had never given it much thought before you had me do that research on it. .. TBC after next passage:

If you REALLY, actually looked into it tonight, I want to hear at least 5 points that you came across that you found so detestable that you want to label it as "the enemy of all humanity". Really, 5 points on why you think its the bane of mankind, go.

I don't need 5 points to hate it. In my readings I have found that the majority of true anarchists are extreemist in every sense of the word. They hate capitalism, they hate government, they hate society. They advocate violence to remove these staples of humanity for Earth, simply to placate their intensly selfish desires. If you just read the pamphlet, anything can sound "no so bad." I don't understand how anybody with any intelligence could buy into this thing. ... TBC after next passage.

Anarchy is a form of communal rule through all. Anarchy in no way implies that there is no social structure or determining bodies of law in that kind of society. I can tell you didn't really look into this at all. its not like it matters though, you seem to be pretty dead set in being a good ol' patriot.

Anarchy is BARELY a form of communal rule, and only if you're willing to accept reality as they feed it to you. I don't remember which site I read this on, but one mission statement rambling said something along the lines of "The community can suggest changes to a destructive individual, but the community can not coerce them from a position of moral or legal authority."

This is the "rule by the most powerful" idea that I am certain would be an unavoidable reality under this form of non-rule.

I noticed you didn't comment on my observations of the Spanish civil war. Most of the Anarchists sites flaunt this as some sort of proof of concept. The problem is, it wasn't true anarchy. The local militias ran things. The reason they all got along so well, was because they had a common goal.

Every other time it has happened, things were terrible. The only thing Spain prooves is that commen enemys unite.

You "could just spit to think there are people in the world like this. Let alone right here in America."????? You do realize there are people that think differently from you...right? It just seems like you JUST discovered that there are ideas like this out there. Do you want these people who think this way kicked out of the country?

Yes, I do realize there are people in the world that view things differently than I do. I also realize that some of them shouldn't be allowed to pro-create. The destruction of society, to me, is a good enough reason to feel as strongly as I do about them. They're mis-guided, and if they had their way, we would bein the stone ages, and litterally hundreds of millions of people would go from lives of realitive comfort to lives of death and squalor.

The United States, to me, stands for the goodness of mankind. It is offensive to me that there are people who live here who are THIS selfish.

You probably wouldn't jump to the defence of the Nazi's, but in my view the Nazi's aren't as bad as these guys.

I realize you want the world to be a wonderful place where we all get along, but it's just not the case. You cannot let EVERYBODY have their way, because they start to cancel eachother out. It's foolish to think otherwise.

I'm also not interested in speaking with you if you're going to be this knee-jerk about it and calling me mentally ill. Have a good night.

There is nothing knee-jerk about my reaction. I did what you asked, and spent hours looking into these guys. I stand by everything I said other than how strongly I assosiated you with it.

 

[All Else Failed]

ughhh....you know, I'm just to exhausted trying to explain things...think what you will I just don't care anymore. You're making so many ridiculous statements that I just don't get where you're coming from. I mean, you said these guys are worse than nazi's...which is, I'm sorry, a totally retarded statement. There's extremists in every kind of organization, so to just generally dismiss the whole thing because of a few isn't the best choice. Anarchism is the exact opposite of selfishness....if you want selfishness, go no further than capitalism, where it NEEDS people to be in near poverty to operate, and CREATES poverty. Now THAT is selfish, my freind.

 

[Maulds]

You off-topic people

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

You know, this thread has made me change my outlook on the world's ozone and whatnot...




















I love my over-sized, gas guzzling, carbon dioxide-spewing, 10 miles per gallon SUV. Kiss my smog ass, Mr. Ozone Layer!

 

[All Else Failed]

yeah who gives a flying fuck about the one thing that decides whether we live or not.

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

Like one thread is going to change the world. No need to get pissy about it. You're not going to change my opinion. I have my own views on how we can change the environment for the better. It doesn't involve getting rid of my car. If you wanna go have kids and lug them around in a small Mustang while trying to put groceries in it as well, and then attempt to tow a boat or something in your little car, be my guest. We didn't get an SUV so we could be all snobbish and say, "Hey, look at me dawg, I'm gangsta and have a car that's oversized, LAWL!".

 

[All Else Failed]

Like one thread is going to change the world. No need to get pissy about it. You're not going to change my opinion. I have my own views on how we can change the environment for the better. It doesn't involve getting rid of my car. If you wanna go have kids and lug them around in a small Mustang while trying to put groceries in it as well, and then attempt to tow a boat or something in your little car, be my guest. We didn't get an SUV so we could be all snobbish and say, "Hey, look at me dawg, I'm gangsta and have a car that's oversized, LAWL!".

what are they?

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

what are they?

Well for one, stop being lazy fucks and walk/ride bikes more. We don't need a car to drive one block to a store. Put filters on factory smoke stacks, stop cutting down trees, get hybrid cars. Trees absorb carbon Dioxide, and the more we cut them down to make mini-malls and stores and bars and whatnot, the more we effect the ozone. The trees aren't there to absorb it all, and we're putting it out faster than they can absorb it, so in return, we get fucked over.

Here's a GREAT idea: All diesel engines can run off of filtered french fry oil, and it doesn't put out any pollution. Sure, your car would smell like a fast-food joint, but it's a small price to pay. All you need to do is filter out the gunk, and you can pour the shit in your diesel engine and run it. It's free, and puts out no pollution.

 

[Silious950]

I live in the CAPITOL of CARS! Southern California, especially Orange County! You can't drive a mile without seeing 4 Navigators, 3 Expedition, maybe 2 BMW X5's and a shit load of Escalades.

IMO, I think if they have the money, and they worked for it. They can do w/e the hell they want. If they decide to buy the damn thing they shouldn't expect to be praised but scorned. Remember we live in America and if you have the money you can buy anything.... On the whole safety issue, hell ya they are getting way to big...

 

[All Else Failed]

Well for one, stop being lazy fucks and walk/ride bikes more. We don't need a car to drive one block to a store. Put filters on factory smoke stacks, stop cutting down trees, get hybrid cars. Trees absorb carbon Dioxide, and the more we cut them down to make mini-malls and stores and bars and whatnot, the more we effect the ozone. The trees aren't there to absorb it all, and we're putting it out faster than they can absorb it, so in return, we get fucked over.

Here's a GREAT idea: All diesel engines can run off of filtered french fry oil, and it doesn't put out any pollution. Sure, your car would smell like a fast-food joint, but it's a small price to pay. All you need to do is filter out the gunk, and you can pour the shit in your diesel engine and run it. It's free, and puts out no pollution.

I like those ideas, but they do not address the fact that SUV's put out copious amounts of pollutants. Its the elephant in the room.

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

I live in the CAPITOL of CARS! Southern California, especially Orange County! You can't drive a mile without seeing 4 Navigators, 3 Expedition, maybe 2 BMW X5's and a shit load of Escalades.

IMO, I think if they have the money, and they worked for it. They can do w/e the hell they want. If they decide to buy the damn thing they shouldn't expect to be praised but scorned. Remember we live in America and if you have the money you can buy anything.... On the whole safety issue, hell ya they are getting way to big...

If you were a girl, this is were I'd ask you to marry me. It's their money, nobody can tell them not to buy it.

 

[Silious950]

Exactly, we have every right to critize the hell outta them. and they have every right to buy the guzzlers

 

[groundpounder]

I love this thread.


Honorably, Johnny.

 

[All Else Failed]

I live in the CAPITOL of CARS! Southern California, especially Orange County! You can't drive a mile without seeing 4 Navigators, 3 Expedition, maybe 2 BMW X5's and a shit load of Escalades.

IMO, I think if they have the money, and they worked for it. They can do w/e the hell they want. If they decide to buy the damn thing they shouldn't expect to be praised but scorned. Remember we live in America and if you have the money you can buy anything.... On the whole safety issue, hell ya they are getting way to big...

Not everything, legally.


If people want to buy SUV's they will. They're just shooting themselves in the foot.

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

Not everything, legally.


If people want to buy SUV's they will. They're just shooting themselves in the foot.

Legally, anything that is for sale, we can buy. There are limits. The public can't go out and by a fucking rocket launcher or cop car. But if something is for sale, the public is legally allowed to buy the item. Jesus, do you really have to pick at everything?

 

[All Else Failed]

Legally, anything that is for sale, we can buy. There are limits. The public can't go out and by a fucking rocket launcher or cop car. But if something is for sale, the public is legally allowed to buy the item. Jesus, do you really have to pick at everything?

Just because it is legal to buy doesn't mean its the responsible thing to do. I understand that people buy things that aren't responsible everyday, but do you at least know where I'm coming from? There will come a day when more and more people owning SUV's will have to decide between filling their gas tank up and buying groceries.

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

Just because it is legal to buy doesn't mean its the responsible thing to do. I understand that people buy things that aren't responsible everyday, but do you at least know where I'm coming from? There will come a day when more and more people owning SUV's will have to decide between filling their gas tank up and buying groceries.

I get what you're saying, but hybrid vehicles can be made in SUV form as well. Most Hybrids ARE SUVs. As for buying stuff that's not responsible, don'tcha know, the public can buy and carry taser guns without a permit. But as for the grocery/gas thing, that's not always true. As I said, I trailer dirtbikes, my mom carries 5+ people around, gets groceries, etc. Sure, if some teeny girl that just got out of college goes and buys an SUV to be cool, that's irresponsible.

 

[All Else Failed]

I get what you're saying, but hybrid vehicles can be made in SUV form as well. Most Hybrids ARE SUVs. As for buying stuff that's not responsible, don'tcha know, the public can buy and carry taser guns without a permit. But as for the grocery/gas thing, that's not always true. As I said, I trailer dirtbikes, my mom carries 5+ people around, gets groceries, etc. Sure, if some teeny girl that just got out of college goes and buys an SUV to be cool, that's irresponsible.

With oil prices as they are now, and the expected forecast of gas prices, you WILL be deciding between gas and other important things.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Just because it is legal to buy doesn't mean its the responsible thing to do. I understand that people buy things that aren't responsible everyday, but do you at least know where I'm coming from? There will come a day when more and more people owning SUV's will have to decide between filling their gas tank up and buying groceries.

What you're saying is actually 100% correct here AEF. I couldn't agree more if I had said it myself (Which I have actually on several occasions).

Who in their right mind is going to continue to purchase these vehicles if they become that hard to maintain? The answer is: Almost nobody. Auto makers will see the market trend (which they have already started doing), and begin producing smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles.

Supply and Demand. It's like physics. Don't argue.

PS: As a side note, the first time I started talking about this was when Bush was running for his second term. All the liberal radio was SOOOO pissed at him for the high prices, and talking about how he was squeezing America, and bla bla bla. But raising oil prices are A) The liberal idea of a fix, and B) The only way we're ever going to get off the stuff.

LOL Just an observation.

 

[All Else Failed]

What you're saying is actually 100% correct here AEF. I couldn't agree more if I had said it myself (Which I have actually on several occasions).

Who in their right mind is going to continue to purchase these vehicles if they become that hard to maintain? The answer is: Almost nobody. Auto makers will see the market trend (which they have already started doing), and begin producing smaller, more fuel efficient vehicles.

Supply and Demand. It's like physics. Don't argue.

PS: As a side note, the first time I started talking about this was when Bush was running for his second term. All the liberal radio was SOOOO pissed at him for the high prices, and talking about how he was squeezing America, and bla bla bla. But raising oil prices are A) The liberal idea of a fix, and B) The only way we're ever going to get off the stuff.

LOL Just an observation.

But why keep them around until the market changes? The public might not want to buy hybrids.