What do the Top 10 Poorest Cities in America have in Common?

[Alien Allen]

Hmm, the blacks took power and will never give it back? I guess that confirms Alien is not an Obama man. :humm:

got nothing to do with Obama

Don't try painting when you don't what color you are dealing with.

The history of the Detroit is what it is. Detroit is 87% black. The whites fled after the riots. Then Coleman Young was elected. He brought in his cronies. The city council is elected at large and full of loons and corruption. From there it has steadily deteriorated. There was hope when Dennis Archer was elected but he saw the writing and gave up fighting the system. Then the voters elect a young thug who was even more corrupt. There is more to come with a federal investigation involving his father.

Detroit is the most polarized region in the country. You would have to live in the area to appreciate the atmosphere. The voters of course could elect a white person but that person would have to be a loon from the far, far left.

 

[Minor Axis]

Then the voters elect a young thug who was even more corrupt.

I don't give "the voters" high marks after watching the last two elections and their out comes.

However, your statement "the blacks took power and won't give it back". What exactly does that mean?

 

[Alien Allen]

I don't give "the voters" high marks after watching the last two elections and their out comes.

However, your statement "the blacks took power and won't give it back". What exactly does that mean?

There is an us versus them thing going on between the suburbs and the city

It started in earnest after the riots of 1967

The mayor up until then was white as was the police chief. The citizens felt they were treated unfairly by the police. Coleman Young a black activist came in with a main selling point of removing a community police unit called STRESS. He took office and was the most divisive mayor of any in the country I have ever seen. He thrived on the us versus them. He had this as a constant drumbeat for the 19 years he was in office.

Under the existing atmosphere it would take an extraordinary person to be elected if white.

It is hard to really convey how it is without coming across as a racist asshole . But this might give you a flavor of some things.


here>>>>>>>>>>>>Coleman Young - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Often profane and always blunt, Young was one of the first African American big-city mayors to achieve national prominence. One of his major goals was to transform the police department from one dominated by whites into an institution more closely reflecting the racial makeup of the city, which was becoming increasingly African American. He blistered white police officers who lived in the suburbs, saying they were like an "army of occupation" and charging: "They don't give a damn about the city. They come in and kick some ass and go back" to their suburban homes. Young suspended police living outside the city, demoted others, promoted a large number of African Americans through use of the quota system, recruited women and minorities for police work, and disbanded STRESS. The mayor cited better police-community relations and the integration of the police force and other institutions as his administration's proudest achievements.

 

[Fox Mulder]

So let me see if I got this right...

Democrat mayor = higher poverty levels?

Yes--exactly--looks like you have it. Democrats=high poverty levels. Very Good. If you don't want to Look to American cities controlled by Democrats, then look to Russia or Cuba or an other asshat place where principles of communism and/or wealth re-distribution are employed and you'll get higher poverty levels. If you would actually pick up an economics book, you'd gain a good understanding of why. Pick any asshat liberal policy for poverty elmination and tell me exactly how its eliminated poverty. Conversely, I can tell you how just about evern asshat policy has resulted in more poverty or greaten burdens on the poor.

Did you even read the article? :confused

 

[Fox Mulder]

Maybe poorer populations tend to vote for democrats.

No maybes about it. Any place where people are enslaved to the government for their very existence, they will continue to vote Democratic because they know Democrats will keep their benefits coming uninterupted. It a symbiotic relationship--human nature is such that most people are not very ambitious so if they can get the same amount of money from the gubmn't they'd receive working (or close to it) then why work? :confused

I can also point to the states with the highest benefits which are all controlled by Democrats. In these states, you can easily receive as much more more in benefits as you could receive working. If Democrats controlled everything, the economy would soon topple under the weight of government bureacracy and social programs. As it is now over half budget is for social programs far greater than it was 50 years ago. And with Democrats it will grow larger and larger until the country can no longer support it.

 

[Fox Mulder]

He thrived on the us versus them. He had this as a constant drumbeat for the 19 years he was in office.

That's the constant drumbeat of the Democratic party--us vs. them, rich vs. poor, black vs. white, man vs. woman, heterosexual vs. homosexual--these people can only survive by making people like Minor angry at their employers, angry at the world because then people support a "punitive" government. And Democrats love punitive government.

 

[Minor Axis]

Originally Posted by RecklessTim
Maybe poorer populations tend to vote for democrats.

No maybes about it. .

You look down on poor people when they vote for a Party that actually worries about their well being? No surprise there.

That's the constant drumbeat of the Democratic party--us vs. them, rich vs. poor, black vs. white, man vs. woman, heterosexual vs. homosexual--these people can only survive by making people like Minor angry at their employers, angry at the world because then people support a "punitive" government. And Democrats love punitive government.

Use the same magnifying glass on your beloved Republican Party when you decide to label.

 

[Strauss]

You look down on poor people when they vote for a Party that actually worries about their well being? No surprise there.

You actually applaud a Party that enslaves poor people? No surprise there.

 

[Minor Axis]

You actually applaud a Party that enslaves poor people? No surprise there.

Bull on both counts.

 

[Strauss]

You look down on poor people when they vote for a Party that actually worries about their well being? No surprise there.

Bull on both counts.

 

[Fox Mulder]

You look down on poor people when they vote for a Party that actually worries about their well being? No surprise there.

Do you REALLY believe that's why Democrats keep poor people poor? :confused You REALLY think it does any good to keep people totally dependent on government? Let me clue you in--they cator to these people because of votes. I understand why the dumbed down portion of society votes Democrat--I can understand why you do (they provide you a means to exort your employer you wouldn't have in a free enterprise system) and other special interests, but for the life of me I can't understand why your average middle class American would not directly benefitted by Democrats would vote for them. Well, I understand it (its a lack of understanding of basic principles of economics), I just can't believe its so pervase.

 

[Minor Axis]

Do you REALLY believe that's why Democrats keep poor people poor? :confused You REALLY think it does any good to keep people totally dependent on government? Let me clue you in--they cator to these people because of votes. I understand why the dumbed down portion of society votes Democrat--I can understand why you do (they provide you a means to exort your employer you wouldn't have in a free enterprise system) and other special interests, but for the life of me I can't understand why your average middle class American would not directly benefitted by Democrats would vote for them. Well, I understand it (its a lack of understanding of basic principles of economics), I just can't believe its so pervase.

LOL, yes I love extorting my employer and you're motivations are down to earth, honest, as pure as the driven snow (around cherynobyl).

Middle class people would vote Democratic if they perceived that the government cares about them versus worrying excessively over the poor rich people that need to have their money preserved.

You bash liberals because they want everyone to have the opportunity for the good life. You view it as some kind of dementia. But if your born into poverty as a child why should you not have access to health care, just because it's your lot in life? Why should you not have the opportunity to accell with a proper eductation, because its tough luck you were born to loser parents? Christ, there are conservative forum members who've argued that there should be no public education.

The sad truth is that most conservatives are selfish, that's a fact. Every labor law every passed in this country came from liberals and yes labor laws cost businesses money. But as individuals we all have to decide it is money well spent or not. Greedy bastards as a rule don't think it is. You can pick apart their ideas in the way they are implemented and I don't have a problem with that. But really you don't like their ideas at all, whether they make sense for the majority of citizens or not because profits is the golden calf you worship.

 

[Minor Axis]

Bull on both counts.

Bull on all counts.

 

[Alien Allen]

The great society programs have done what to advance the poor Minor?

The democrats pander to the poor but I do not see them delivering anything. When you expect handouts then the scraps you get will accomplish little. Those programs would have been better served to give them to charities to dole out as the see fit.

 

[Minor Axis]

The great society programs have done what to advance the poor Minor?

The democrats pander to the poor but I do not see them delivering anything. When you expect handouts then the scraps you get will accomplish little. Those programs would have been better served to give them to charities to dole out as the see fit.

Remember this for the future- I've all ready said in these forums that the Great Society programs proved that throwing money at poverty does not fix anything without a program that works.

Liberals are willing to try reduce poverty and it's your right to beat them up for it. But then ask why christian conservatives attitudes about poverty are "tough shit".

 

[Panic]

The great society programs have done what to advance the poor Minor?

The democrats pander to the poor but I do not see them delivering anything. When you expect handouts then the scraps you get will accomplish little. Those programs would have been better served to give them to charities to dole out as the see fit.

Don't these programs provide food banks and drug rehabilitation for the poor? Don't they provide financial assistance so the poor can go to college and get a degree? Wouldn't that be considered an advancement? Not that republicans wouldn't support those programs, just saying.

This is a serious question cause I don't know. I'm asking.

 

[Minor Axis]

Don't these programs provide food banks and drug rehabilitation for the poor? Don't they provide financial assistance so the poor can go to college and get a degree? Wouldn't that be considered an advancement? Not that republicans wouldn't support those programs, just saying.

This is a serious question cause I don't know. I'm asking.

The more flagrant conservatives in this forum don't give a damn about the poor and especially don't want their tax dollars going for the types of programs you mentioned. Hell, they don't want to pay taxes at all.

The most flagrant waste of tax money in the Great Society programs of the 1960's went to low income housing that promptly turned into slums, because the people who lived in them trashed them. Why did they not take pride in having a clean residence to live in? Maybe for many who grow up in poverty, they have no pride. It's not an easy fix. Liberals will try to attack the problem while conservatives tend to turn a blind eye.

Some liberal perspective on conservative view points by Time Wise: This is your nation on White Privilege:

Palin and everyone is quick to insist that your life and that of your family is a personal matter, and that no one has a right to judge you or your parents, because “every family has challenges,” even as black and Latino families with similar “challenges” are regularly typified as irresponsible, pathological and arbiters of social decay.

 

[Panic]

The more flagrant conservatives in this forum don't give a damn about the poor and especially don't want their tax dollars going for the types of programs you mentioned.

Is this true? I knew republicans didn't support some social programs but do they want to cut off food banks and the other programs mentioned? Will the more flagrant conservatives on this board attest to this? This is a serious question.

The most flagrant waste of tax money in the Great Society programs of the 1960's went to low income housing that promptly turned into slums, because the people who lived in them trashed them. Why did they not take pride in having a clean residence to live in? Maybe for many who grow up in poverty, they have no pride. It's not an easy fix. Liberals will try to attack the problem while conservatives tend to turn a blind eye.

Yea, I always assumed the republicans had a "survival of the fittest" mentality. But I didn't think it was so blatantly insensitive as that. Maybe I'm dumb.

This is your nation on White Privilege:

lol, that was clever.

 

[dt3]

You bash liberals because they want everyone to have the opportunity for the good life. You view it as some kind of dementia. But if your born into poverty as a child why should you not have access to health care, just because it's your lot in life? Why should you not have the opportunity to accell with a proper eductation, because its tough luck you were born to loser parents? Christ, there are conservative forum members who've argued that there should be no public education.

Why should I have to pay for them to get these opportunities? Am I supposed to feel guilty that they're worse off than me?

Hell, right now there is WELL under $1000 in my bank account. And I still have yet to pay this month's rent, and I have no idea how I'm gonna be able to do it. Why don't you send me some money? I'll wait on the check.

 

[Panic]

^^^Maybe you should apply for assistance. (just kidding)

Runs out of thread.