Ways to prove God is imaginary

[gillibean]

50 ways to prove God doesn't exist

Interesting site!

 

[Obdurate]

I've only looked at a couple. Some of them are dumb.

 

[gillibean]

It's a mixed bag, some are interesting and some I think they just came up with to get to 50

 

[Obdurate]

Yeah, for sure. The one about noticing you don't follow Jesus is really sketchy and dumb.

And I meant (up there) that I looked at more than a couple! Like a bunch or something.

 

[Hans]

Most of those are terrible :\
I know personally I have had prayers answered.
All the historical Gods? I think really that reinforce the idea of there being a god. Almost all religions refer to a great flood of sorts, atleast most abrahamic rels. A lot of tribal religions/Olympian gods were used to explain what they were unable to understand.

There are also explinations to how a good man can own a slavery in The City of God Against The Pagans (SP?), written by Saint Augustine of Hippo. If you can better a man in servitude, and bring him closer to God, then Augustine believes that a Christian man can own slaves. If you do not intend on bettering the soul of your slave, it is not the proper Christian thing to do.

Some of the shit is just ridiculous. The collection plate? The church NEEDS money, it has to pay for the priests, Catholic priests take a vow of poverty, and they make just enough to get by. At the same time, it is also a virtue to display piety. It is a sacrifice. Magic? Miracles? zzzzzz terrible article, if you wanted to make an arguement against the existance of God, atleast take up a more factual approach.

 

[NicAuf]

This is a much better website imo.

The Official God FAQ

 

[Minor Axis]

Most of those are terrible :\
I know personally I have had prayers answered.

How do you know it was God's action as opposed to coincidence or luck? I have friends who are convinced if a church full of people pray for something it makes a difference. You know what, for all I can prove, it might make a difference but that does not prove anything. The church goers have faith, not fact.

It's not very analytical to pray, have your wish be realized, then conclude it's was by God's hand. I really like Proof 2, Statistically analyze prayer.

 

[Hans]

How do you know it was God's action as opposed to coincidence or luck? I have friends who are convinced if a church full of people pray for something it makes a difference. You know what, for all I can prove, it might make a difference but that does not prove anything. The church goers have faith, not fact.

It's not very analytical to pray, have your wish be realized, then conclude it's was by God's hand. I really like Proof 2, Statistically analyze prayer.

Religion is faith based, personal achievements and enlightenments as such are damn near impossible to prove. I really dont want to get into my life, my prayers, or anything like that, but Ill give you an example.

When I was young (7-8 I suppose), I had nightmares on a nightly basis for well over 2-3 months. This wasnt from scary movies or anything in particular, it was just nightmare after nightmare, and my family has a lot of mental issues. So one night, I prayed for the end of those nightmares, and Ive yet to have one since then. Is it possible it was a chemical reaction in my brain? Sure it is, its also possible I just got my confidence up to the point of where it wouldnt bother me.

I also suggest you read more about prayer per religion. It seems like you are uneducated on how prayer is supposed to work for Christians, atleast Catholics. Maybe take the time to read about actual praye ^_^

As for the maority of people praying, its extremely common for people everywhere to look to a higher power for security. Its damn near the same thng as going to your mom when youre scared when you are young, and something frighens you. It offers security and stability.

 

[Obdurate]

Word.

Of all things, there's a Degrassi: The Next Generation episode in season 5 that tackles the issue of prayers and it does so in a way that some people don't really consider, and it's basically what you just said, Hans.

 

[Dick]

sounds like yet another way for people to rationalize whatever they believe to me

 

[Hans]

Sounds like someone is a know it all Atheist.

 

[Minor Axis]

Religion is faith based, personal achievements and enlightenments as such are damn near impossible to prove. I really dont want to get into my life, my prayers, or anything like that, but Ill give you an example.

When I was young (7-8 I suppose), I had nightmares on a nightly basis for well over 2-3 months. This wasnt from scary movies or anything in particular, it was just nightmare after nightmare, and my family has a lot of mental issues. So one night, I prayed for the end of those nightmares, and Ive yet to have one since then. Is it possible it was a chemical reaction in my brain? Sure it is, its also possible I just got my confidence up to the point of where it wouldnt bother me.

I also suggest you read more about prayer per religion. It seems like you are uneducated on how prayer is supposed to work for Christians, atleast Catholics. Maybe take the time to read about actual praye ^_^

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be adversarial with you. I'm suggesting that there may be other things happening here than by God's hand. I think I understand how prayer works. I was raised Presbyterian, but don't hold that against me.

As for the maority of people praying, its extremely common for people everywhere to look to a higher power for security. Its damn near the same thng as going to your mom when youre scared when you are young, and something frighens you. It offers security and stability.

A friend had a massive heart attack and basically was pronounced dead at his house, but somehow he survived even though he went without oxygen for 10 minutes and suffered no permanent adverse effects to his brain or organs. They and their church who prayed for him are all convinced God chose to save him. Maybe God did, but maybe doctors need to take a close look at him and see if he has a physiological condition that made him predisposed to surviving such an ordeal. Miracles are usually attributed to things or processes we don't understand. Chock one up for God, sure. But it would also be nice to have a realistic basis that what you believe in is a truth versus a fantasy.

 

[GraceAbounds]

God is not imaginary.

 

[All Else Failed]

Most of those are terrible :\
I know personally I have had prayers answered.
All the historical Gods? I think really that reinforce the idea of there being a god. Almost all religions refer to a great flood of sorts, atleast most abrahamic rels. A lot of tribal religions/Olympian gods were used to explain what they were unable to understand.

There are also explinations to how a good man can own a slavery in The City of God Against The Pagans (SP?), written by Saint Augustine of Hippo. If you can better a man in servitude, and bring him closer to God, then Augustine believes that a Christian man can own slaves. If you do not intend on bettering the soul of your slave, it is not the proper Christian thing to do.

Some of the shit is just ridiculous. The collection plate? The church NEEDS money, it has to pay for the priests, Catholic priests take a vow of poverty, and they make just enough to get by. At the same time, it is also a virtue to display piety. It is a sacrifice. Magic? Miracles? zzzzzz terrible article, if you wanted to make an arguement against the existance of God, atleast take up a more factual approach.

There's no way you can possibly know if your prayers were answered or not.


The reason why all cultures have gods is because all humans think alike. Thats why all cultures have their own music, art, and similar beliefs.

Why don't churches pray for money? I mean, god would help his own organization spread his word, right?

 

[GraceAbounds]

I pray for money. My church prays for money and many other types of blessings as well. But we also pray to do His will and not our own. (easier said than done though for sure) Many people pray for selfish reasons that have nothing to do with God's will and wonder why their prayers go unanswered.

How do we pray? Jesus taught us:
Our Father, who art in heaven,
hallowed be thy name.
Thy Kingdom come,
thy will be done,
on earth as it is in heaven
Give us this day our daily bread.
And forgive us our trespasses,
as we forgive those who trespass against us.
And lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.
For thine is the kingdom, the power and the glory. for ever and ever. Amen

People, including myself, want our own will to be done much of the time. This is not how it works. Most people don't understand this, nor do they want to accept it, and of course they don't like it. They want what they want.

 

[Godsloveapples]

Right.
Praying for God to cure all cancer.
What would be the point of life and heaven if God cured everything? This life is a place where God tests us and makes us go through hardships to see if we will keep our faith in him. It's in heaven where God cures and makes everything perfect, not here.

 

[Zorak]

lol of course God is imaginary, it's hilarious for me to think in this day and age people don't think, "Wait... what ever happened to Zeus?!"

Religion has always been mans way of coping with whatever reality they might face, and there's nothing wrong with that at all. Religion plays an important part in society, morality & spirituality.
So I'm Christian technically, but don't ask me to pray to or fear a higher being... because I think it's bollocks. The last thing anyone needs is to become an ecclesiastical plebian.

 

[GraceAbounds]

lol of course God is imaginary

So I'm Christian technically

These statements contradict one another.

but don't ask me to pray to or fear a higher being... because I think it's bollocks.

The word fear when referring to the Lord means to 'be in awe of' in most instances. If one believes that the Lord is the creator of all things, why would one that believes not be in fear of and/or in awe of their Creator? It isn't a negative thing; it represents how we have reverence of our Lord.

In todays society/culture people don't like to be under anyone's authority because they think they are self sufficient and can do it all on their own or they think they have all the answers. Yet people don't have all the answers and never will. But people want to keep living their lives like they do anyway. It is a laughable and maddening cycle.

 

[Zorak]

You think they contradict each other. And I can respect that, because Christianity teaches such tolerance.

I use Christianity as a spiritual guide and a moral compass, as evidenced from above. But I do not share your Lord, and I don't think I ever will.

 

[GraceAbounds]

You think they contradict each other. And I can respect that, because Christianity teaches such tolerance.

I use Christianity as a spiritual guide and a moral compass, as evidenced from above. But I do not share your Lord, and I don't think I ever will.

Ok, I'm following what you are saying now. Thanks for elaborating.