Peter Parka
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Well I think the crusades, the English reformation, Ireland, the recent terrorism wars ect are better examples.
Was Jesus a victim of self aggrandizing suicide?
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He most definately was, in public and for his own reasons.Truth be told, Hitler never really believed in God, he used the belief in God and his christianity claim to con the German people and fuel the Nazi propaganda machine. Point being, there are some SICK minds out there....
Sparkey Duck
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So your theory is that God is responsible for all of that? Let me give you an example, something to think about, please, bear with me....
What if you created a thread on this forum, expressing your dislike for people with red hair. Somebody out there with a sick mind reads it, and decides to make it his duty to kill as many redheads as he can, IN YOUR NAME, before getting caught, he kills thousands of people. Do you believe that you should be to blame for his actions?
Exactly, and if they didn't have God to use as an excuse, they'd find some other cause.
Sparkey Duck
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I know that was to Peter, but in this instance Peter should share the blame, he incited hatred in this example and is just as much to blame for the motive behind the act. I'd shoot them both into the sun.. Sorry Peter
you have to die nowPeter Parka
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No, you've missed my point entirely. I don't thing god is responsible for any of that because I seriously doubt there is a god. I was saying that other people use god as an excuse for war though.
Bit of a sidetrack but - is this true, or are you speculating? I know he used religion to motivate the masses but I didn't know there was actual proof what his personal beliefs were. Just because someone uses God for evil purposes after all doesn't mean they don't fervently believe in that same God.
I might be wrong but I didn't think Peter was saying God was responsible, he was naming better examples of people doing terrible things in the name of God. Like you did.
I know that was to Peter, but in this instance Peter should share the blame, he incited hatred in this example and is just as much to blame for the motive behind the act. I'd shoot them both into the sun.. Sorry Peter
There's no such thing as a hate crime against red heads....lol. Hypothetically, Peter just mentioned that in passing. Are we all to be responsible for the actions of those less endowed in the 'sound mind' department? Can you imagine what would happen as a result of the long lineups at the DMV?...lol
Sparkey Duck
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tbh, I just want to get to shoot people into the sun..
The claim is sometimes made that Hitler was a Christian - a Roman Catholic until the day he died. In fact, Hitler rejected Christianity.
The book Hitler's Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Farrar, Straus and Young, Inc.first edition, 1953, contains definitive proof of Hitler's real views. The book was published in Britain under the title, _Hitler's Table Talk 1941-1944, which title was used for the Oxford University Press paperback edition in the United States.
All of these are quotes from Adolf Hitler:
Night of 11th-12th July, 1941:
National Socialism and religion cannot exist together.... The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.... Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. (p 6 & 7)
10th October, 1941, midday:
Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure. (p 43)
14th October, 1941, midday:
The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State. (p 49-52)
19th October, 1941, night:
The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.
21st October, 1941, midday:
Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer.... The decisive falsification of Jesus' doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation.... Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea. (p 63-65)
13th December, 1941, midnight:
Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... .... When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease. (p 118 & 119)
14th December, 1941, midday:
Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself.... Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics. (p 119 & 120)
9th April, 1942, dinner:
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity (p 339)
27th February, 1942, midday:
It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie. Our epoch Uin the next 200 yearse will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold ." (p 278)
A reader asks,"Where did the quotes from Hitler's Secret Conversations come from? How do we know that they are accurate?"
Hitler's Secret Conversations is a translation of a document called the "Bormann-Vermerke" or Borrman endorsements. They are a collection of hand written notes made by Martin Bormann who was Hitler's personal secretary during the war. Bormann is known to have been an extraordinarily powerful figure in Nazi Germany and a notorious opponent of Christianity.
That was less to do with religion and more to do with Britain invading our country. It just so happened that Irish people are mainly catholics
Sparkey Duck
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Pope Pius XII had a soft spot for him didn't he?
Peter Parka
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You cant deny the hatred Catholics and Prots have for each other and the fact they chose their alligances similarly. How many Protastant I.R.A. members have you ever heard of?
Hitler played people....that's just what he did, he had many others blinded by his so called 'belief in God'......it was a ploy, and, in many cases, it worked like a charm, unfortunately.
Greatest I am
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I do recall some of your ramblings and preaching that I ignored.
If you have actual questions or comments I can speak to, then lets hear them.
From your wipe the floor comment, it seems that you think you won whatever issue you have in mind and asking for further from me, says that all you want is to continue your own self aggrandizement.
Any that continue to rub someone's nose in their lose, if you are right about my lose, is just doing it for the pleasure of seeing the other in pain.
Thanks for showing your Christian values.
How pathetic.
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DL
because protestants are more than likely of British origin. Catholics didn't join the IRA because of religion, it was because they wanted their country back. The aim of the IRA was to reunite Ireland not convert the North to Catholicism.
Peter Parka
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Seem to remember that years after WWII, documents were unveiled that revealed the pope knew about the concentration camps but kept his mouth shut.
Sparkey Duck
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He was a naughty boy!
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