'Under God' Issue Back in Court

[All Else Failed]

It is called the Pledge Of Allegiance!

....the "under god" part wasn't put in by them.

 

[Peter Parka]

Personally I think having God in it makes a mockery of it and makes it meaningless. Is someone athiest is forced to say America is a country under God if they don't believe in God, what's the point? Its the same as all this swearing on the Bible shit in court. What's the point in me doing it if I think the Bible is a pile of shit?

 

[dt3]

Is someone athiest is forced to say America is a country under God if they don't believe in God, what's the point?

I've never seen somebody forced to say the Under God part. All they have to do, if they don't believe it, is not say it! It's isn't hard, just quit talking at that part, and start again after it.

 

[Peter Parka]

I've never seen somebody forced to say the Under God part. All they have to do, if they don't believe it, is not say it! It's isn't hard, just quit talking at that part, and start again after it.

Ah, never realised that. Well if that's the case, I really don't see what the problem is.:confused

 

[Pudding Time]

I'm Australian so I'm not quite sure of this. Doesn't one have to say this in order for them to be granted citizenship?

 

[All Else Failed]

Ah, never realised that. Well if that's the case, I really don't see what the problem is.:confused

It violates the constitution. The government can't establish or endorse religion or any deity, yet we have reference to a deity in our pledge.

 

[dt3]

It violates the constitution. The government can't establish or endorse religion or any deity, yet we have reference to a deity in our pledge.

It says they can't establish a religion. You're adding the deity part yourself. A belief in god isn't religion.

 

[All Else Failed]

if you want to believe that, you can. But, I really don't think when they put it in the pledge, they were thinking of some sort of vague, universal deity.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

if you want to believe that, you can. But, I really don't think when they put it in the pledge, they were thinking of some sort of vague, universal deity.

Amazing this thread is still rolling, I thought this was pretty much beaten up by us, however, I still do not see the harm.

I mean, it's the best of both worlds if you ask me. If your atheist, then the word God can't bother you because according to Atheist doctrine, he doesn't actually exist.

If you do think that a God of some sort exists, then it can be like a mad lib, fill in whatever you want to call "God"

If your atheist how can you feel imposed on by something you don't even think is there?

I still say that removing that word does not progress our nation one iota, how about a prescription drug plan for seniors, how about taking care of our veterans for once, ending hunger, making peace with other nations. Picking the Constitution apart does nothing to advance us, only seperate us further as a nation.

Really simple to me.

 

[All Else Failed]

Amazing this thread is still rolling, I thought this was pretty much beaten up by us, however, I still do not see the harm.

I mean, it's the best of both worlds if you ask me. If your atheist, then the word God can't bother you because according to Atheist doctrine, he doesn't actually exist.

If you do think that a God of some sort exists, then it can be like a mad lib, fill in whatever you want to call "God"

If your atheist how can you feel imposed on by something you don't even think is there?

I still say that removing that word does not progress our nation one iota, how about a prescription drug plan for seniors, how about taking care of our veterans for once, ending hunger, making peace with other nations. Picking the Constitution apart does nothing to advance us, only seperate us further as a nation.

Really simple to me.

Its not even about my belief that there is no god, its simply a constitutional problem to me.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Its not even about my belief that there is no god, its simply a constitutional problem to me.

It's only a problem to atheists and folks who have this idea they are trying to be forcefully converted.

Converted to what I have no idea.

 

[All Else Failed]

It's only a problem to atheists and folks who have this idea they are trying to be forcefully converted.

Converted to what I have no idea.

Uh, no. I don't think I'm being forcefully converted, nor do I know of any atheists that think that either, and I know a lot.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Uh, no. I don't think I'm being forcefully converted, nor do I know of any atheists that think that either, and I know a lot.

Then there should be no issue then. Removing the word does not make the idea go away any more than leaving it makes it real.

I just think folks have run out of any real band wagon, this is popular right now.

But I have been hearing it for years. I'm over it

 

[All Else Failed]

Then there should be no issue then. Removing the word does not make the idea go away any more than leaving it makes it real.

I just think folks have run out of any real band wagon, this is popular right now.

But I have been hearing it for years. I'm over it

I'm arguing purely on constitutional principle of the fact that its presence in the pledge is illegal.

Then again, I think the pledge itself is pretty silly so idk I'm getting tired of talking about it.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I'm arguing purely on constitutional principle of the fact that its presence in the pledge is illegal.

Then again, I think the pledge itself is pretty silly so idk I'm getting tired of talking about it.

Yeah...Me to....Let's go get a beer

 

[All Else Failed]

I prefer shirley temples.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I prefer shirley temples.

Okay....The you can babysit me while I get torn completely down

 

[All Else Failed]

DD again tonight, I see.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

DD again tonight, I see.

Huh?

I won't be drinking too heavily tonight, I'll be running with some brass from my corporate office, so my p's and q's will be on. Even though they know me pretty well

 

[All Else Failed]

DD=designated driver