Um, did he forget what happened to him?

[gLing]

Maybe they like to get some sort of pleasure out of it.

Yes that makes a lot of sense. :smiley24:

 

[All Else Failed]

Yes that makes a lot of sense. :smiley24:

As much sense as calling water boarding not torture.

 

[gLing]

As much sense as calling water boarding not torture.

I am beginning to suspect you do not even know what torture is.

You calling water boarding torture is like saying spanking a naughty child is sadistic child abuse.

 

[All Else Failed]

I am beginning to suspect you do not even know what torture is.

You calling water boarding torture is like saying spanking a naughty child is sadistic child abuse.

No, I know what torture is, and I think you know what torture is also. You're just for it when its not done to one of our own.


Oh and you comparing SIMULATED DROWNING FOR HOURS ON END to spanking is pretty fucking hilarious. Thank you, I needed a good laugh, I was feeling a bit blue today.

 

[Maulds]

I wouldn't call it comparison so much

 

[All Else Failed]

actually spanking is physical abuse.

 

[gLing]

No, I know what torture is, and I think you know what torture is also. You're just for it when its not done to one of our own.


Oh and you comparing SIMULATED DROWNING FOR HOURS ON END to spanking is pretty fucking hilarious. Thank you, I needed a good laugh, I was feeling a bit blue today.

And I thought my reading comprehension skills were bad :24:

You comparing water boarding to actual torture is as stupid as somebody comparing a spanking to beating a child half to death.

The comparisons are how stupid both lines of reasoning are. Get it now?

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Torture: Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

Make sure you read and understand the above definition before you continue reading...




Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing a person on his or her back, with the head inclined downward, and pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. Through forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences the process of drowning in a controlled environment and is made to believe that death is imminent. In contrast to merely submerging the head face-forward, waterboarding almost immediately elicits the gag reflex. Although waterboarding can be performed in ways that leave no lasting physical damage, it carries the risks of extreme pain, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, injuries (including broken bones) due to struggling against restraints, and even death. The psychological effects on victims of waterboarding can last for years after the procedure.
As the prisoner gags and chokes, the terror of imminent death is pervasive, with all of the physiologic and psychological responses expected, including an intense stress response, manifested by tachycardia (rapid heart beat) and gasping for breath. There is a real risk of death from actually drowning or suffering a heart attack or damage to the lungs from inhalation of water. Long term effects include panic attacks, depression and PTSD. I remind you of the patient I described earlier who would panic and gasp for breath whenever it rained even years after his abuse.




So let me see if I have this correct...

You would rather endure waterboarding than a hot poker if captured... so, waterboarding is ok to use.



got it.

Good find Tim, as always. Perhaps the "definition" of torture is also a perception thing.

My perception is that I would rather use waterboarding than caning, pistol whipping, russian roulette, electro-shock, bamboo torture, drilling and perhaps the smashing of fingers and toes with hammers. Perhaps, even lopping a few un-needed fingers off.

I think that although the situation is unfortunate, it can be agreed straight across the board (no pun intended) that something needs to be done to ensure the continued safety of our troops and our citizens here at home.

As idealistic as I know this seems, I perhaps put too much faith in the people who have been given the job of taking care of our...."dirty work", I can only imagine how they must feel.

Part of the problem is mass media being involved in wartime activities, I can surmise that these activities occur during whwta we think is "peace time" we just don't amplify it because in so doing we would uncover what the CIA and NSA were designed for.