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I just think its rather hypocritical to get up in arms when other countries torture POWs when the US does the same.

There's a difference between strapping a guys balls in a vice, and scaring him really badly.

An important part of this discussion that isn't ever talked about is the definition of torture. I personally don't consider making a person uncomfortable to be torture. If you do, that's fine. I speak for myself. I've said it a hundred times. If I ever get captured and "tortured," I'll thank God every day for the waterboard over the hot poker.
 
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Waterboarding does not physically impair or harm you other than psychologically number 1.

The objective is that the panic created by the "idea" that you are drowning, might perhaps inspire you to play along.

I guess they could duct tape your eyelids open put ipstick on you and make you listen to Tom Jones greatest hits over and over, hell they would find out who was on the grassy knoll with that technique.

Beating someone with the butt of a rifle, like what was done to McCain, forced russian roulette like what was done with special forces captives during vietnam, that is torture.

Getting someone wet and hurting their feelings by calling them terrorists....Not torture.

And I happen to like McCain, and Tim knows...I'll ban on the spot for allegations against him:24::jk
 

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I don't need to justify anything to you. I am simply pointing out the small fact that nobody would ever choose to make themselves uncomfortable enough to give secrets to the enemy.

Who's giving secrets to the enemy? All I said was that the interrogators should go have waterboarding done to them. Not only them, but politicians that make it a policy for the US to use such a tactic. And this includes Bush. But we all know they wont because it is torture.

Double standards. This is a major factor in why the US is hated practically everywhere on earth. You bomb, invade, condemn, and impose sanctions on countries for things the US also does.

It would make more sense for you to argue that all interrogations should be illegal than it is to make the argument that interrogations should be conducted in the manner you suggest.

No that wouldn't make any sense what so ever. Why can't you spark a bit of thought in your own mind and come up with something not so extremely black and white.

zOMG! If we shouldn't waterboard, we shouldn't ever interrogate the enemy!

I'm sorry, but that's down right silly.
 

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An important part of this discussion that isn't ever talked about is the definition of torture. I personally don't consider making a person uncomfortable to be torture. If you do, that's fine. I speak for myself. I've said it a hundred times. If I ever get captured and "tortured," I'll thank God every day for the waterboard over the hot poker.

Torture: Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions.

Make sure you read and understand the above definition before you continue reading...




Waterboarding is a form of torture that consists of immobilizing a person on his or her back, with the head inclined downward, and pouring water over the face and into the breathing passages. Through forced suffocation and inhalation of water, the subject experiences the process of drowning in a controlled environment and is made to believe that death is imminent. In contrast to merely submerging the head face-forward, waterboarding almost immediately elicits the gag reflex. Although waterboarding can be performed in ways that leave no lasting physical damage, it carries the risks of extreme pain, damage to the lungs, brain damage caused by oxygen deprivation, injuries (including broken bones) due to struggling against restraints, and even death. The psychological effects on victims of waterboarding can last for years after the procedure.
As the prisoner gags and chokes, the terror of imminent death is pervasive, with all of the physiologic and psychological responses expected, including an intense stress response, manifested by tachycardia (rapid heart beat) and gasping for breath. There is a real risk of death from actually drowning or suffering a heart attack or damage to the lungs from inhalation of water. Long term effects include panic attacks, depression and PTSD. I remind you of the patient I described earlier who would panic and gasp for breath whenever it rained even years after his abuse.




So let me see if I have this correct...

You would rather endure waterboarding than a hot poker if captured... so, waterboarding is ok to use.



got it.
 

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What kind of interrogation techniques would you recommend?



And you sir; what would you like to see the interview look like?



Two things here.

1. You can't make anybody join. That's the beauty of a volunteer force. You always talk about hating all types of persuasion, so.... ??

2. Why do people always call the military kids? I personally find it rather offensive that it is so blindly accepted. You have to be an adult to join the service. You have to sign on the dotted line all by your grown up self. Mom and Dad can't do it for you.
Ones that don't break our own laws and international laws. I mean, if you're ok with torture, don't cry when our boys get tortured, its only fair. Torture is terrorism, what would captain America think!?



I was kidding about the "make their kids go first" thing.
 

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There's a difference between strapping a guys balls in a vice, and scaring him really badly.

An important part of this discussion that isn't ever talked about is the definition of torture. I personally don't consider making a person uncomfortable to be torture. If you do, that's fine. I speak for myself. I've said it a hundred times. If I ever get captured and "tortured," I'll thank God every day for the waterboard over the hot poker.
Um, they're suspended usually upside down with a bag over their head, in a dark room, and made to think they are drowning, which can easily cause mental anguish and possibly even death. When I get out of bed and its cold, THAT is being uncomfortable, being made to believe you're going to die is torture, come on.
 

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Do you know what waterboarding is? It's all about the mental stress, not physical pain.
LOL because all torture is physical, right? You wouldn't last 30 minutes with chinese water torture. People have gone LITERALLY insane from that tactic and there was no "real" physical harm done, yet its still considered torture.
 

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No, it makes it not torture IMO. Like I said. :nod:


So let me see if I have this correct...

You would rather endure waterboarding than a hot poker if captured... so, waterboarding is ok to use.

got it.

I'm about to post two links that are images taken from an anti-torture rally in Taiwan. They are very graphic, but please remember they are staged with stage make-up. Do not open these links if your are of gentle spirit. :(

http://www.clearharmony.net/a_images/2005/01/2005-01-05-taiwan002.jpg

http://clearharmony.net/a_images/2005/01/2005-01-05-taiwan003.jpg

When you ask me about torture, the above is what I think of. (And it get MUCH MUCH more discusting. I personally hate / dispise / condemn / can not stomach real torture.)

I do not think waterboarding can be reasonably compared to what I consider to be torture.


BB said it best in post #28. It's terrifying, but that's the worst of it.
Link to Bad Boy's post.
 

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I do not think waterboarding can be reasonably compared to what I consider to be torture.

From what I've seen, you're the only one comparing the two with your statements justifying waterboarding because it isn't one of those methods of torture. Just because it isn't as bad dosen't mean it isn't torture and should be allowed. By definition waterboarding IS torture.
 

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Just because it isn't as bad dosen't mean it isn't torture and should be allowed.

Not as bad?! I can't in my little pea-brain, possibly force them into the same category. I consider it strong interrogation technique which stays on the south side of the torture line.
 

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I'm about to post two links that are images taken from an anti-torture rally in Taiwan. They are very graphic, but please remember they are staged with stage make-up. Do not open these links if your are of gentle spirit. :(

http://www.clearharmony.net/a_images/2005/01/2005-01-05-taiwan002.jpg

http://clearharmony.net/a_images/2005/01/2005-01-05-taiwan003.jpg

When you ask me about torture, the above is what I think of. (And it get MUCH MUCH more discusting. I personally hate / dispise / condemn / can not stomach real torture.)

I do not think waterboarding can be reasonably compared to what I consider to be torture.


BB said it best in post #28. It's terrifying, but that's the worst of it.
ALL TORTURE IS NOT PHYSICAL.


Again, you would be crying like a little girl after 30 or so minutes of something like Chinese water torture or water boarding, and suffer mental anguish.
 
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