Trayvon Martin- Tragedy

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The Man said:
Agreed,
But we can also look at it this way.....what are the chances of something like this turning into a shooting?...Pretty slim.
So IMO his judgement wasn't really that poor given the odds....it just turned out to be the wrong choice.

I would sure hate to see a law enacted where a neighborhood watchman had to stay in his vehicle rather find out who belongs in the complex and who doesnt ;)
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Well, if you know anything about self defense, the biggest mistake he made that day, as far as I can tell, is being in Condition White when he should not have been.

The whole time he had the phone to his ear, I think he was blindly running around like an idiot not paying attention to his surrounding or anything, with the feeling that he was 'safe' with the phone to his ear.

Some may think he was on a 'power trip' because he had a gun on him. We have no proof of that. And I dont see it either. No, I think he was an idiot that found himself in a situation that he should never have been in. <<but that is just my opinion, and not fact.

But.....that doesnt mean what he did was criminal. We do not know, and do not have all the facts. But, if he was attacked at that point....if? He had a right to defend himself.

As far as him getting out of the car. Yes. He was stupid. And I think we all wish he did not. But the question on that point, is him doing something stupid by getting out of the car, armed, and not being more aware of things, and the potential for this to escalate, a criminal action? I dont think it would be under current law. So you can not charge him. Should that be changed? IDK. But I can see that being a huge political mess. That is just my opinion though.
 
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Is everybody in the world fucking blind or just happily ignorant on cross examination?

We have no idea what really happened and everyone is automatically blaming this dude for shooting the kid. Does anyone here really know what happened? Everyone just knows what they want to believe instead of giving both parties a fair take on the matter.

It's almost as fucking ridiculous as watching The Maury Show.
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NO WE WERE ALL THERE


WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED BEYOND A SHADOW OF A DOUBT




This is a perfect example of mass media and uninformed people on a god damn witch hunt with almost zero evidence.
 
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Plus does anyone else think it is one heavy piece of fucking irony that the black panthers are putting a bounty on his head?

dudes, you might want to read back into your own history
 
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All Else Failed said:
Plus does anyone else think it is one heavy piece of fucking irony that the black panthers are putting a bounty on his head?

dudes, you might want to read back into your own history
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This is the NEW Black Panthers. And have no affiliation actually with the original BPP. While the original Black Panthers were not exactly altar boys, I think if Huey Newton was still alive, he would chastise this idiots that have perverted their namesake. But that is just a guess.
 
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This has all the ear marks of earlier witch hunts

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This kid turns out was not the angel he was represented as. Which has nothing to do with him getting shot perhaps but it is all part of the perception painted by the media and the race baiters. Justice may never be served in the minds of those folks. Because they were positive Zimmerman was a crazed murderer after a black kid.
 
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If blacks want to be concerned about a race endangering them, they should worry about other blacks since most black deaths result from clashes with other blacks.
 
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Panacea said:
Ya that's fucking ridiculous
1 step forward, 3 steps back

Regardless of the case's details and the outcome of any legal proceedings, I think some good COULD have been done for discussions about the state of race but clearly that's too much to ask for.
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I too agree that an actual good discussion could come out of it. But I also do not think race, was a factor at all in this case. Here is a post I posted somewhere else on this subject, and the media, and race and culture.

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Well, what is really interesting if we are on the subject of race, is that Zimmerman is not necessarily 'white' either as has been often portrayed. He comes from a multicultural family. Not that it should even matter. There is no evidence that race had anything to do with anything.

In fact, the only evidence that exists for the initial cause of 'suspicion' on Zimmerman's point was a culture clash.

Take a young man that lives in a crime prone area of Miami, where one has to dress tough, act tough, walk tough, and actually be tough to survive, and drop him in the middle of a gated community in the suburbs of Orlando that has had recent crime problems....and yes, I am sorry to say it, but he will stick out like a sore thumb. Is that because of his race? No. It is because of the attitude he is carrying around with him.

Did that make him appear 'suspicious' to Zimmerman, whose 'quasi job' was to be on the alert for 'suspicious' persons? yes imo!

Did the fact that where Martin lived and came from, no busybody neighbor would dare to stick their nose into others business unless they were looking for trouble cause Martin to see Zimmerman as something more than the neighborhood busybody and possibly a threat? Quite possibly.

Was it this culture clash, and not race, that caused this incident to spiral out of control? I think so.

Then the question, from a legal standpoint, is who broke the culture clash bubble first and turned this violent, and therefore criminal.

No. Race had nothing to do with anything that occurred that night imo. But how do you fix, and therefore prevent, a clash of cultures? I don't think you can. I wish I had the answer to that, but I don't.

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What would be nice though, is if the media actually had THIS discussion(culture biases) because of this story, and how they can clash into violence. Instead this story is wrapped up in race. . And I don't think the problem can ever be cured if we all...hide behind the race card and throw it at each other.

I do think a real discussion on race and culture though is appropriate. But not with everyone throwing fuel on the fire. It just makes it worse.
 
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Jaybird said:
I too agree that an actual good discussion could come out of it. But I also do not think race, was a factor at all in this case.
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I think where the racial piece comes is the sort of elephant in the room. I would imagine a lot of people in gated communities might be leery of a black teenager with a hoodie on looking "suspicious" on their street. Maybe anywhere. I think this case was a desperate opportunity to begin to turn the tide of public opinion.

"See! Not all black kids are trouble makers, how horrible of anyone to assume that! See!". In some ways I don't blame people for wanting an example like that thrown in the public eye.

But I think people would prefer this to have been a cold murder, else we have to address an ugly issue (and who wants to do that?)....There is a problem with black youth in America, maybe moreso than other youth in America, and I don't think the black community has been able to effectively turn this around because the popular culture is dominated by glorifying the crime from which it suffers.
 
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All Else Failed said:
well yeah the media has an invested interest in making Tray Tray seem like a little angel
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So do the Martin Lawyers.

If Zimmerman has a valid self defense claim, then he is immune from all criminal charges AND CIVIL LAWSUITS!

If Zimmerman's reputation though is discredited in the public sphere to the point that he is described to be a lunatic racist bastard, who stalked down and shot a little innocent kid in cold blood. Well, not only will he possibly have to face trial, but it could leave him open to civil lawsuits if he can no longer claim a stand your ground defense.

Interesting....isnt it?

I am not making any accusations. But you do the math. The blatant lies fed to the media. The fabrications and miss information to discredit Zimmerman. The drumming up of support through social media and other tools. Why, are the Martin family Lawyers attempting so vehemently to attack not only Zimmerman, but also the Police investigation, the police chief, and the DA?

You do the math.

I feel for the grieving parents. I do. But I now believe this was all a blatant fabrication by the Lawyers to attempt to cash in. Of course, they are cashing in in other ways now. Reports are that the Lawyers have already filed trademarks.

Mother Seeks Trayvon Martin Trademarks
Records: Late teenager's kin filed pair of applications last week
MARCH 26--The mother of Trayvon Martin has filed two applications to secure trademarks containing her late son’s name, records show.

Sybrina Fulton is seeking marks for the phrases “I Am Trayvon” and “Justice for Trayvon,” according to filings made last week with the United States Patent and Trademark Office. In both instances, Fulton, 46, is seeking the trademarks for use on “Digital materials, namely, CDs and DVDs featuring Trayvon Martin,” and other products.

The March 21 USPTO applications, each of which cost $325, were filed by an Orlando, Florida law firm representing Fulton, whose first name is spelled "Sabrina" in the trademark records.

Martin, 17, was shot to death last month during a confrontation with George Zimmerman, a 28-year-old neighborhood watch captain. Martin, pictured above, was visiting his father’s home in Sanford, Florida when he was shot to death by Zimmerman, who has claimed that he was acting in self-defense. (6 pages)
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http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/trayvon-martin-trademarks-769123

Sorry folks. This really never had anything to do with Justice. Some may still think that, and I understand. But it looks to me it boils down to the mother of all sins....Greed. Not on the part of the family. But, the lawyers. They want their payday. I wonder what Sharpton's cut of the proceeds will be. :/
 
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CityGirl said:
Except that kid in the Rt lower corner is not Trayvon http://twitchy.com/2012/03/25/why-teamdueprocess-is-important-for-justice/
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Thats funny. not in a haha way though, because since the first time I saw that photo....quite a long time ago, I didnt think it was the same kid. The face seemed....different. I didnt follow your link though to investigate.

I have seen other pictures of him though that are...similar. But I wont be throwing fuel onto that particular fire. My biggest problem with what pictures WERE used though were that they were all of a baby faced 12-13 yr old boy. Not the young man he was at the time. And that does go towards the story the media and Lawyers framed. So, even though that picture may not be him, the message is still the same.

Bottom line. Martin is dead. I feel for his family. They honestly do feel in my opinion that their son was unjustly taken from them. But that doesnt change the facts of the case imo. If he was not unjustly taken from them, than ruining another family's life isnt going to help anything. If Zimmerman did anything criminal though, I say throw the book at him. But the case should not have ever been tried on the courthouse lawn. Ever.

Now who do I despise in this story? Both the media and the Martin Family Lawyers. I think the way they all handled this was just disgusting, but that is just my opinion.
 
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Last nights local news they started on the story stating a man killed a young black man for looking suspicious

I kid you not

Pretty pathetic but then what do you expect in Detroit. over 2000 people showed up to demonstrate in support of Martin earlier in the day at Hart Plaza downtown. Too fricking bad they don't get as outraged when kids are getting killed in drive bys in town.
 
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