"Thou shalt not kill?!"

[Tuna]

Listen people, I have a problem with the ten commandments. Excuse me if I'm wrong but isn't "Thou shalt not kill" a little hypocritical? Excuse me if i'm wrong but there have been more wars over religion than any other subject, just take the crusades as an example. If anyone who is responsible for a persons death goes to hell, i'll just bet that a few popes never got up to heaven.

 

[NightWarrior]

The words kill and murder are clear in Hebrew to be two different things. There is a distinction. Killing in wars is not the same thing as murder. This commandment is meant for murder, not "killing".

 

[All Else Failed]

The words kill and murder are clear in Hebrew to be two different things. There is a distinction. Killing in wars is not the same thing as murder. This commandment is meant for murder, not "killing".

Thousands upon thousands of civilians were murdered during the various crusades.

Spanish inquisition, Salem witch trials etc etc.



But then again, I don't really see a difference between someone going out and killing someone in the street and a soldier killing another soldier on the battlefield.

 

[NightWarrior]

Thousands upon thousands of civilians were murdered during the various crusades.

Spanish inquisition, Salem witch trials etc etc.



But then again, I don't really see a difference between someone going out and killing someone in the street and a soldier killing another soldier on the battlefield.

I know you like to take things literally, I forgot to be clear. Next time I'll be more careful with my choice of words.

 

[Tuna]

So what, according to venom its ok to wage war? what ever happened to peace? In any case i see war only as LEGAL murder. And the interesting thing is, that with the crusades, it was the pope who wanted all those muslims dead. i'm sure the soldiers composing the army didnt wanna go. Doesnt that make the soldiers a little holier than the pope? and from this, i think that the commandment "Thou shalt have no other gods but me" is simply political bullshit

 

[All Else Failed]

So what, according to venom its ok to wage war? what ever happened to peace? In any case i see war only as LEGAL murder. And the interesting thing is, that with the crusades, it was the pope who wanted all those muslims dead. i'm sure the soldiers composing the army didnt wanna go. Doesnt that make the soldiers a little holier than the pope? and from this, i think that the commandment "Thou shalt have no other gods but me" is simply political bullshit

well yeah, thats what it is.

 

[IntruderLS1]

If anyone who is responsible for a persons death goes to hell, i'll just bet that a few popes never got up to heaven.

That isn't how it works.

There are many on this site who would be happy to share the faith with you if you are interested either academically, philosophically, or spiritually. There are very few here who would like to defend ourselves from somebody totally not interested, but looking for a scrap.

Which are you friend?

 

[Tuna]

Me? I'm neither. i lost the faith a long tiome ago. i'm just looking for peoples opinions

 

[IntruderLS1]

Me? I'm neither. i lost the faith a long tiome ago. i'm just looking for peoples opinions

I see. Well in that case then, AllVenom is shooting you straight. Sneaking into somebodies house and murdering them is different than being a member of a military and fighting on a battlefield.

Thousands upon thousands of civilians were murdered during the various crusades.

Murder is wrong. Christians make mistakes the same as everybody else.

But then again, I don't really see a difference between someone going out and killing someone in the street and a soldier killing another soldier on the battlefield.

I couldn't disagree more, but your opinion is your opinion.

 

[All Else Failed]

I see. Well in that case then, AllVenom is shooting you straight. Sneaking into somebodies house and murdering them is different than being a member of a military and fighting on a battlefield.



Murder is wrong. Christians make mistakes the same as everybody else.



I couldn't disagree more, but your opinion is your opinion.

What is the difference between me going out right now with a gun, and killing someone that I thought was a threat to me, and soldiers going out and killing insurgence? The only difference is that the threat that is perceived is backed by the federal government.

 

[Tuna]

listen. killing on a battlefield and killing some civilians is basically the same. If you put aside morals, then you're still killing someone, the difference is that a soldier has a peice of metal in his hands and a civilian doesn't, soldiers are human, they also have families and hopes and shit, and only ignorant idiots want to go to war, so killing soldiers I think is actually worse than killing civies, think about it, the soldiers are actually risking their lives while the civs are on their couch watching sitcoms. Most soldiers dont fight because of patriotism or anything, its because theyre forced to. actually, its hard to find a true patriot, because most of the radical patriots are just fools

 

[All Else Failed]

listen. killing on a battlefield and killing some civilians is basically the same. If you put aside morals, then you're still killing someone, the difference is that a soldier has a peice of metal in his hands and a civilian doesn't, soldiers are human, they also have families and hopes and shit, and only ignorant idiots want to go to war, so killing soldiers I think is actually worse than killing civies, think about it, the soldiers are actually risking their lives while the civs are on their couch watching sitcoms. Most soldiers dont fight because of patriotism or anything, its because theyre forced to. actually, its hard to find a true patriot, because most of the radical patriots are just fools

I think its just funny that people don't consider war mass, legal murder just because the government says its ok, or the fact that they are wearing uniforms...ha.

 

[NightWarrior]

Yeah, well, I don't care what you two say. If someone comes at you or your family with a knife and you happen to have a gun handy (for all intents and purposes), you will shoot that purp dead on arrival.

Thousands of years have passed with man on this planet and yet peace has yet to be found. Why? That should be the topic of debate.

 

[All Else Failed]

Yeah, well, I don't care what you two say. If someone comes at you or your family with a knife and you happen to have a gun handy (for all intents and purposes), you will shoot that purp dead on arrival.

Thousands of years have passed with man on this planet and yet peace has yet to be found. Why? That should be the topic of debate.

Well yeah, thats self defense. Theres a difference.


Yeah, that topic would be interesting.

 

[Tuna]

hey, thats a big difference, noone forced this bastard to come into my home, but with war soldiers are forced to fight

 

[IntruderLS1]

What is the difference between me going out right now with a gun, and killing someone that I thought was a threat to me, and soldiers going out and killing insurgence?

Killing somebody who is a threat to you is no longer murder Ron. It becomes self defense.

Do you honestly see no difference between: you sneaking into your roommates room tonight and killing him vs. a crazed drugged maniac with a knife attacking your roommate and you taking his life?

Really?

listen. killing on a battlefield and killing some civilians is basically the same.

Only in that the end result is the loss of life. You could make the same comparison to a buss crash, and a serial killer by that logic. HOW life ends is a very important part of life.

If you put aside morals,

Strongly recommend against.

soldiers are human, they also have families and hopes and shit, and only ignorant idiots want to go to war

Couldn't agree more.

, so killing soldiers I think is actually worse than killing civies, think about it, the soldiers are actually risking their lives while the civs are on their couch watching sitcoms.

I personally feel that most soldiers would dissagree with this.

Most soldiers dont fight because of patriotism or anything, its because theyre forced to. actually, its hard to find a true patriot, because most of the radical patriots are just fools

How many soldiers do you know? Most of the soldiers I know fight for patriotism. ALL of the soldiers I know are not forced into anything. We signed up with our own free will... Where did you get these ideas?

 

[All Else Failed]

Killing somebody who is a threat to you is no longer murder Ron. It becomes self defense.

Do you honestly see no difference between: you sneaking into your roommates room tonight and killing him vs. a crazed drugged maniac with a knife attacking your roommate and you taking his life?

Really?



Only in that the end result is the loss of life. You could make the same comparison to a buss crash, and a serial killer by that logic. HOW life ends is a very important part of life.



Strongly recommend against.

Couldn't agree more.

I personally feel that most soldiers would dissagree with this.



How many soldiers do you know? Most of the soldiers I know fight for patriotism. ALL of the soldiers I know are not forced into anything. We signed up with our own free will... Where did you get these ideas?

Killing someone who you think is a threat to you, is still murder. Its preemptive killing. You put thought towards it, and you seek them out to kill.


Now, if someone came into my house with intent to murder me, and I kill them, I was forced to kill them to preserve my own life.





"a crazed drugged maniac with a knife attacking your roommate and you taking his life?"


Thats defense.

 

[NightWarrior]

Killing somebody who is a threat to you is no longer murder Ron. It becomes self defense.

Do you honestly see no difference between: you sneaking into your roommates room tonight and killing him vs. a crazed drugged maniac with a knife attacking your roommate and you taking his life?

Really?



Only in that the end result is the loss of life. You could make the same comparison to a buss crash, and a serial killer by that logic. HOW life ends is a very important part of life.



Strongly recommend against.

Couldn't agree more.

I personally feel that most soldiers would dissagree with this.



How many soldiers do you know? Most of the soldiers I know fight for patriotism. ALL of the soldiers I know are not forced into anything. We signed up with our own free will... Where did you get these ideas?

Liberals. :ninja

 

[All Else Failed]

"How many soldiers do you know? Most of the soldiers I know fight for patriotism. ALL of the soldiers I know are not forced into anything. We signed up with our own free will... Where did you get these ideas?"



I come from a military family, and none of them have ever said they fought for patriotism. I KNOW that some people sign up for "patriotism" but i personally think that most people sign up for secondary reasons.

Soldiers are forced to go wherever their country tells them to, though.

 

[IntruderLS1]

You made the argument:

What is the difference between me going out right now with a gun, and killing someone that I thought was a threat to me, and soldiers going out and killing insurgence? The only difference is that the threat that is perceived is backed by the federal government.

Then you said:

Killing someone who you think is a threat to you, is still murder. Its preemptive killing.

And then:

Now, if someone came into my house with intent to murder me, and I kill them, I was forced to kill them to preserve my own life.

Finally:

"a crazed drugged maniac with a knife attacking your roommate and you taking his life?"


Thats defense.

Am I the only one here who has no idea what you're getting at? You're talking in circles.