The World Wants Obama

[Peter Parka]

Love how this animosity has come because of support for an AMERICAN becomeing your president which just happens to be one you dont like.

 

[wednesday]

The problem with Europeans is you think what you see in movies and television and what your media tells you is accurate. You have no fucking idea what its actually like in America or what Americans are like. Americans are not arrogant, you perceive them as arrogant. And again its ironic that you use "sterotypical" because that' exactly where you get your impressions from and where you've come up with your opinions--based on the sterotype your media presents to you.

Us europeans...thats stereotyping right there mulder...sorry!!!

 

[Fox Mulder]

Oh and I have relatives burried in Normandy who died in the war and I am very thankful of theAmerican soldiers who faught over there too so stop with all your narrow minded bullshit, it was a WORLD war remember? my relatives diedand faught to stop us being turned into a Nazi state not because the USA told us too, who only joined when they got attacked.

Yeah, well if we had the media then we had today, Hitler and the Germans would have been called freedom fighters and the war would have been painted as hopeless with no chance of winning. The British leaders would have negotiated peace with Hitler (they almost did actually even back then--thank God for Winston Churchill) and you'd all be speaking German right now. In fact, today, Churchill would have been called a war mongerer and a fascist and all manner of derogatory terms for having the gall to actually support war.

 

[Peter Parka]

Us europeans...thats stereotyping right there mulder...sorry!!!

Typical stereotyping too, i'm as much European as Mulder is Canadian or Mexican.:24:

 

[Fox Mulder]

Us europeans...thats stereotyping right there mulder...sorry!!!

Cause and effect wedzy--cause and effect. What's good for the goose is good for the gander--if someone starts out stereotyping Americans, then I can stereotype Europeans--or does that only work one way? :confused

 

[Peter Parka]

Yeah, well if we had the media then we had today, Hitler and the Germans would have been called freedom fighters and the war would have been painted as hopeless with no chance of winning. The British leaders would have negotiated peace with Hitler (they almost did actually even back then--thank God for Winston Churchill) and you'd all be speaking German right now. In fact, today, Churchill would have been called a war mongerer and a fascist and all manner of derogatory terms for having the gall to actually support war.

OMG!!! Are you seriously trying to compare the holocaust to a war about oil built on a lie??? man, you are delousional!:24::24::24:

 

[Fox Mulder]

Typical stereotyping too, i'm as much European as Mulder is Canadian or Mexican.

Now that's just down right insulting!!!


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[Maulds]

So I guess the world wants us to be a doormat, that is what we will be with Obama as Commander in Chief.

 

[wednesday]

Cause and effect wedzy--cause and effect. What's good for the goose is good for the gander--if someone starts out stereotyping Americans, then I can stereotype Europeans--or does that only work one way? :confused

Incorrect Mulder..if someone stereotypes you, you do not turn around like a child in a playground and throw the same stone back!!!
I suggest you learn different tactics at debate.

 

[Peter Parka]

So I guess the world wants us to be a doormat, that is what we will be with Obama as Commander in Chief.

I think it's more to do with not wanted the USA to police theworld, especiallygiven theirrecord of it.

 

[watermelon man]

Guys guys guys there's a lot of hostility in this topic and I think it'd be best if everyone calmed down for a while and seriously read over their posts before submitting it?

With all the people that are always on this site, you need to think of the site like a party! Everyone's having fun and stuff at the party! But when some people stop having fun and a discussion turns into insults and names and accusations being thrown around, the party stops being fun and everyone who's just looking on to the argument feels really awkward! I know I do reading some of these posts!

I know this is the debate forum guys but you don't need to get all bent over things like this! I'm sorry guys but I think everyone needs to cool off! I know this is a sensitive topic for a lot of Americans because hey it's important, but come on guys we can be more civil can't we?

 

[wednesday]

Guys guys guys there's a lot of hostility in this topic and I think it'd be best if everyone calmed down for a while and seriously read over their posts before submitting it?

With all the people that are always on this site, you need to think of the site like a party! Everyone's having fun and stuff at the party! But when some people stop having fun and a discussion turns into insults and names and accusations being thrown around, the party stops being fun and everyone who's just looking on to the argument feels really awkward! I know I do reading some of these posts!

I know this is the debate forum guys but you don't need to get all bent over things like this! I'm sorry guys but I think everyone needs to cool off! I know this is a sensitive topic for a lot of Americans because hey it's important, but come on guys we can be more civil can't we?

:24::24::24::surrender

 

[Peter Parka]

Guys guys guys there's a lot of hostility in this topic and I think it'd be best if everyone calmed down for a while and seriously read over their posts before submitting it?

With all the people that are always on this site, you need to think of the site like a party! Everyone's having fun and stuff at the party! But when some people stop having fun and a discussion turns into insults and names and accusations being thrown around, the party stops being fun and everyone who's just looking on to the argument feels really awkward! I know I do reading some of these posts!

I know this is the debate forum guys but you don't need to get all bent over things like this! I'm sorry guys but I think everyone needs to cool off! I know this is a sensitive topic for a lot of Americans because hey it's important, but come on guys we can be more civil can't we?

As much as I disagree withMulder here,I honestly cant say I've seen him or myself being insulting.:confused

 

[wednesday]

Sorry watermelon ...its just, well its a debate..and yes you are right about things getting taken to seriously sometimes...but i love mulder..and i love peter...so...they will just have to both deal with my shit wont they .paaahhhaaaa

 

[Fox Mulder]

OMG!!! Are you seriously trying to compare the holocaust to a war about oil built on a lie??? man, you are delousional!:24::24::24:

No--I'm not--simply pointing out that perspective is everything. What is a "just" war? When is military action justified? In 1945 it was easy to determine an enemy. In 2008, they fight like cowards--they kill innocent people, they hide like rats. And we've had ENOURMOUS success in crippling Al Queda. That's something you know nothing about because the media doesn't want you to know that.

Here--read this regarding Al Queda:

Al-Qaeda In Iraq Reported Crippled

The U.S. military believes it has dealt devastating and perhaps irreversible blows to al-Qaeda in Iraq in recent months, leading some generals to advocate a declaration of victory over the group, which the Bush administration has long described as the most lethal U.S. adversary in Iraq.
But as the White House and its military commanders plan the next phase of the war, other officials have cautioned against taking what they see as a premature step that could create strategic and political difficulties for the United States. Such a declaration could fuel criticism that the Iraq conflict has become a civil war in which U.S. combat forces should not be involved. At the same time, the intelligence community, and some in the military itself, worry about underestimating an enemy that has shown great resilience in the past.

"I think it would be premature at this point," a senior intelligence official said of a victory declaration over AQI, as the group is known. Despite recent U.S. gains, he said, AQI retains "the ability for surprise and for catastrophic attacks." Earlier periods of optimism, such as immediately following the June 2006 death of AQI founder Abu Musab al-Zarqawi in a U.S. air raid, not only proved unfounded but were followed by expanded operations by the militant organization.

There is widespread agreement that AQI has suffered major blows over the past three months. Among the indicators cited is a sharp drop in suicide bombings, the group's signature attack, from more than 60 in January to around 30 a month since July. Captures and interrogations of AQI leaders over the summer had what a senior military intelligence official called a "cascade effect," leading to other killings and captures. The flow of foreign fighters through Syria into Iraq has also diminished, although officials are unsure of the reason and are concerned that the broader al-Qaeda network may be diverting new recruits to Afghanistan and elsewhere.

The deployment of more U.S. and Iraqi forces into AQI strongholds in Anbar province and the Baghdad area, as well as the recruitment of Sunni tribal fighters to combat AQI operatives in those locations, has helped to deprive the militants of a secure base of operations, U.S. military officials said. "They are less and less coordinated, more and more fragmented," Lt. Gen. Raymond T. Odierno, the second-ranking U.S. commander in Iraq, said recently. Describing frayed support structures and supply lines, Odierno estimated that the group's capabilities have been "degraded" by 60 to 70 percent since the beginning of the year.

Lt. Gen. Stanley McChrystal, head of the Joint Special Operations Command's operations in Iraq, is the chief promoter of a victory declaration and believes that AQI has been all but eliminated, the military intelligence official said. But Adm. William J. Fallon, the chief of U.S. Central Command, which oversees Iraq and the rest of the Middle East, is urging restraint, the official said. The military intelligence official, like others interviewed for this report, spoke on the condition of anonymity about Iraq assessments and strategy.

Senior U.S. commanders on the ground, including Gen. David H. Petraeus, the head of U.S. forces in Iraq, have long complained that Central Command, along with the CIA, is too negative in its analyses. On this issue, however, Petraeus agrees with Fallon, the military intelligence official said.

For each assessment of progress against AQI, there is a cautionary note that comes from long and often painful experience. Despite the increased killings and captures of AQI members, Odierno said, "it only takes three people" to construct and detonate a suicide car bomb that can "kill thousands." The goal, he said, is to make each attack less effective and lengthen the periods between them.
Right now, said another U.S. official, who declined even to be identified by the agency he works for, the data are "insufficient and difficult to measure."

"AQI is definitely taking some hits," the official said. "There is definite progress, and that is undeniable good news. But what we don't know is how long it will last . . . and whether it's sustainable. . . . They have withstood withering pressure for a long period of time." Three months, he said, is not long enough to consider a trend sustainable.

Views of the extent to which AQI has been vanquished also reflect differences over the extent to which it operates independently from Osama bin Laden's central al-Qaeda organization, based in Pakistan. "Everyone has an opinion about how franchisement of al-Qaeda works," a senior White House official said. "Is it through central control, or is it decentralized?" The answer to that question, the official said, affects "your ability to determine how successfully [AQI] has been defeated or neutralized. Is it 'game over'?"

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Now seriously--have you read ANYTHING like that anywhere? No--and you would likely not because you my friend are being fed exactly what they want you to be fed. What I find interesting about people on the left is they think the only kind or propoganda is positive propoganda from the right, but the absence of accurate reporting by the left wing media is every bit the propoganda as presenting false facts. And if you beleive you've been presented accurate facts, you are really naive.

 

[Fox Mulder]

Guys guys guys there's a lot of hostility in this topic and I think it'd be best if everyone calmed down for a while and seriously read over their posts before submitting it?

With all the people that are always on this site, you need to think of the site like a party! Everyone's having fun and stuff at the party! But when some people stop having fun and a discussion turns into insults and names and accusations being thrown around, the party stops being fun and everyone who's just looking on to the argument feels really awkward! I know I do reading some of these posts!

I know this is the debate forum guys but you don't need to get all bent over things like this! I'm sorry guys but I think everyone needs to cool off! I know this is a sensitive topic for a lot of Americans because hey it's important, but come on guys we can be more civil can't we?

Now you see--this is a good example of the thread I started about minding your own business. I've know Peter Parka since I got here--he's a good guy--he's not insulting me, he's expressing his viewpoint in an aggressive manner. You can't debate politics like two women (or Valentin) discussing which makeup is superior!!!! :24::24::24:

You haven't been here long enough to learn the dynamics of the forum. I am friend with Peter Parka (at least I think he feels the same). So I repsect his right to give me the piss and he respects my right to give him the piss!!!

 

[Fox Mulder]

Sorry watermelon ...its just, well its a debate..and yes you are right about things getting taken to seriously sometimes...but i love mulder..and i love peter...so...they will just have to both deal with my shit wont they .paaahhhaaaa

Exactly right--and Mulder loves you wedzy--I totally forgive both you and Peter for being completely ignorant about Americans. However, Mulder intends to thoroughly educate you in person as to just how "cocky" Mulder can actually be!!!! :cool

 

[Fox Mulder]

. . . but come on guys we can be more civil can't we?

Fuck off, you hoser!!! :24:

 

[Peter Parka]

Now you see--this is a good example of the thread I started about minding your own business. I've know Peter Parka since I got here--he's a good guy--he's not insulting me, he's expressing his viewpoint in an aggressive manner. You can't debate politics like two women (or Valentin) discussing which makeup is superior!!!! :24::24::24:

You haven't been here long enough to learn the dynamics of the forum. I am friend with Peter Parka (at least I think he feels the same). So I repsect his right to give me the piss and he respects my right to give him the piss!!!

Taking the piss is the great British attitude, alongwithforming queues and drinking tea and beer which dosent tasteof knats piss!:24:

 

[Fox Mulder]

Taking the piss is the great British attitude, alongwithforming queues and drinking tea and beer which dosent tasteof knats piss!:24:

Yes--always like the way you Brits can take the piss--got much better senses of humor too than the average American. Also, the women are more looser, but that might be just based on the impression wednesday's made on me!!! :24::24::24: