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It was a pretty clean win for The Miz, really. In that the finish was clean.

PPV overall was pretty good, Kofi/Del Rio was a good opener. Smackdown Chamber ruled, good to see Christian back. Tag Title match I didn't really care for, Miz/Lawler was ok, fun if nothnig else, and the Raw Chamber was pretty good again. Now for Raw tonight, the reveal will 'probably' be Taker, but it's still got a big angle feel plus there's the possibilty the other rumours are true (HHH, Shawn). The last video is intriguing, I'm damn certain that's Shawn's beard, yet on Taker's body.

I know that Taker was spotted in the Austin airport yesterday, so I think it's probably certain that he shows up tonight. As far as HBK goes, I know he was in Dallas over the weekend and supposedly went home to San Antonio, so I doubt he'll be around tonight. HHH is expected (by Dave Scherer) to return tonight on RAW to begin the Wrestlemania buildup. I'm halfway thinking that we'll see HHH vs. Taker at Wrestlemania, with the motive being that HHH wants to do what Shawn couldn't the last two years.
 
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Yeah I've heard HHH/Taker rumours, with the added 'Shawn as guest referee' bit. The premise for the match sounds good. Plus it would turn Triple H heel, something he needs.
 

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Yeah I've heard HHH/Taker rumours, with the added 'Shawn as guest referee' bit. The premise for the match sounds good. Plus it would turn Triple H heel, something he needs.

HHH works best as a heel as far as I'm concerned... and he's been a face for way too long at this point. Of course, he's generally so popular as a heel anyway that he may as well be a face. :24: I like the idea of HBK being the special ref for a few different reasons. There'd be the storyline of HBK having lost to Taker two Mania's in a row, so he might be out for payback. But at the same time, he might not want Hunter to be able to do what he couldn't accomplish two years in a row. I think the most likely scenario would be that HBK accidentally costs Taker the match, and Hunter lays him out as a result... thus basically turning him full heel; as Shawn is still one of the most over personalities in wrestling, despite having been gone for a year now.
 

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Yeah the ovation he got on Raw when he got the HOF nod was electric. The only problem I have with Triple H as a heel is he does waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much posing and playing up to the crowd. He was worse for this in about 2003.
 

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Yeah the ovation he got on Raw when he got the HOF nod was electric. The only problem I have with Triple H as a heel is he does waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much posing and playing up to the crowd. He was worse for this in about 2003.

Whoa! Whoa! WHOA!!! The only reason Triple H hasn't been heel is because of the whole television rating system. WWE is TV PG right now. The Triple H we all know and love is TV 14. So I really don't expect anything "big" happening even if he turns heel. Though I am still keeping my prediction true that Triple H has something to do with Nexus and The Undertaker being buried alive. That's just me though.


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...THE MIZ CHEATED!!! It doesn't matter when Alex Riley interfered because it's still called interference and when someone interferes on your behalf it's cheating. Don't try to give me an Eddie Guerrero explanation, Springsteen. :24:
 

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Whoa! Whoa! WHOA!!! The only reason Triple H hasn't been heel is because of the whole television rating system. WWE is TV PG right now. The Triple H we all know and love is TV 14. So I really don't expect anything "big" happening even if he turns heel. Though I am still keeping my prediction true that Triple H has something to do with Nexus and The Undertaker being buried alive. That's just me though.


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...THE MIZ CHEATED!!! It doesn't matter when Alex Riley interfered because it's still called interference and when someone interferes on your behalf it's cheating. Don't try to give me an Eddie Guerrero explanation, Springsteen. :24:

Triple H was EPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIC as a heel, I loved the way he played to the crowd, Evolution Triple H is my favorite incarnation of him by far lol
 

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I might consider watching WWE again if and when they go back to the TV14 packaging of their product. I hope that as Linda further distances herself from the product, it will allow them to slowly bring back some of the edge (without anything like the horrible HHH/Katie Vick incident). But, then again... I don't see even an "edgier" product being all that great either, not with Vince booking everything. He needs to hand the booking over to HHH and Stephanie already.
 

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Oh, and they need to stop fucking scripting every single word and facial expression for the wrestlers during promos. People like Chris Jericho are money on the mic when they can improvise... The Rock wouldn't have been even close to as popular as he became if he wasn't allowed to do his own thing. That how you can make stars... give them a chance to become their own character, not the character that Vince thinks they should play.
 

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Whoa! Whoa! WHOA!!! The only reason Triple H hasn't been heel is because of the whole television rating system. WWE is TV PG right now. The Triple H we all know and love is TV 14. So I really don't expect anything "big" happening even if he turns heel. Though I am still keeping my prediction true that Triple H has something to do with Nexus and The Undertaker being buried alive. That's just me though.


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...THE MIZ CHEATED!!! It doesn't matter when Alex Riley interfered because it's still called interference and when someone interferes on your behalf it's cheating. Don't try to give me an Eddie Guerrero explanation, Springsteen. :24:

To address the first point Triple H being face has nothing to do with the PG rating. NOTHING. Triple H turned face fully when he joined DX again, the PG rating came in officially in 2008, 2 years after DX reunited. So nothing at all to do with it.

On the second point, you're totally missing my point. The finish was Miz hitting the skull crushing finale on Lawler, with no intereference before that from Alex Riley or Michael Cole, therefore it was a clean pin, there's no other word for it.

I might consider watching WWE again if and when they go back to the TV14 packaging of their product. I hope that as Linda further distances herself from the product, it will allow them to slowly bring back some of the edge (without anything like the horrible HHH/Katie Vick incident). But, then again... I don't see even an "edgier" product being all that great either, not with Vince booking everything. He needs to hand the booking over to HHH and Stephanie already.

The thing is people forget the reasons for the PG rating, it wasn't to do with Linda initially, it was to do with Mattel which was and still is a very profitable thing for the WWE. So business-wise PG is good for WWE. Although again the rule on PG broadcasting dictate that WWE could quite easily have swearing on Monday Night Raw, they could easily have a striptease by Kelly Kelly, They could easily have a chairs match on Raw. But they don't need to. The TV ratings aren't going to rise because the word "Bastard" isn't censored. They could conceivably move PPV's to PG-14 and do everything but verbally promise that there will be blood in this Hell In A Cell match etc. Would the buyrates skyrocket? No, would they go up a little bit? Yeah possibly. But it isn't the be all and end all. If you're not enjoying wrestling as a product, the booking should be blamed, not the rating.
 
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The thing is people forget the reasons for the PG rating, it wasn't to do with Linda initially, it was to do with Mattel which was and still is a very profitable thing for the WWE. So business-wise PG is good for WWE. Although again the rule on PG broadcasting dictate that WWE could quite easily have swearing on Monday Night Raw, they could easily have a striptease by Kelly Kelly, They could easily have a chairs match on Raw. But they don't need to. The TV ratings aren't going to rise because the word "Bastard" isn't censored. They could conceivably move PPV's to PG-14 and do everything but verbally promise that there will be blood in this Hell In A Cell match etc. Would the buyrates skyrocket? No, would they go up a little bit? Yeah possibly. But it isn't the be all and end all. If yuo're not enjoying wrestling as a product, the booking should be blamed, not the rating.

I know why it first went that way, but Linda getting into politics was an absolutely huge part of it later on down the road. You're missing my point... I'm saying that they need the TV14 booking that they had during the Attitude era... which doesn't necessarily have anything to do with swearing or blood, but the attitude (pardon the pun) of the booking itself. The unpredictable nature of what not knowing was going to happen played a big part in why RAW overtook Nitro and was doing the ratings it was.

The fact that the talent was able to do or say nearly anything they wanted to (within reason) was how characters like The Rock and Steve Austin got over as big as they did. But for the last 7-8 years, everything has been so meticulously scripted that there's no room for a Stone Cold to break out the way that he did.

The absolute biggest part of the problem though is obviously the booking. With Vince in charge of everything on RAW, you pretty much know exactly what's going to happen. His ideas were great... 20-25 years ago. But he's completely out of touch with today's wrestling fan. He force feeds wrestlers he likes down people's throats. That's why Cena was so hated by "smart" wrestling fans for so long... because he wasn't that great in the ring, and he was being pushed to the top despite how people felt about him.

From all accounts, HHH has a great mind for the wrestling business itself, and I think would be excellent as the lead booker of the product as a whole... so long as he didn't have Vince constantly looking over his shoulder and overruling him.
 

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From all accounts, HHH has a great mind for the wrestling business itself, and I think would be excellent as the lead booker of the product as a whole... so long as he didn't have Vince constantly looking over his shoulder and overruling him.

On the UK tour recently Vince didn't go, and it was just Triple H doing the backstage stuff, like giving the announcers direction on commentary, and generally speaking it was a much more relaxed atmosphere which is why I believe Triple H probably will take over when Vince either retires or dies.

On the promo point, I agree that it's better in the older days where they weren't scripted word for word. Not every promo in the WWE is bad per se, I mean Miz's are pretty good, as are Punk's, but the reason for that is because they are heels, and heels have always always been given more freedom on the mic. It's just become more noticeable in recent times due to the over-scripting.
 

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To address the first point Triple H being face has nothing to do with the PG rating. NOTHING. Triple H turned face fully when he joined DX again, the PG rating came in officially in 2008, 2 years after DX reunited. So nothing at all to do with it.

On the second point, you're totally missing my point. The finish was Miz hitting the skull crushing finale on Lawler, with no intereference before that from Alex Riley or Michael Cole, therefore it was a clean pin, there's no other word for it.

Well I'm not saying Triple H went officially FACE because of the rating. I really do not know why, but that is my take on it. Even before it became official that the WWE would go PG I could see them gradually toning it down a bit. All I'm saying is that Triple H becoming a Heel in a PG Era in a sense is not going to be anything like Triple H in a TV 14 Era. I mean...let's be honest...DX was PG to the core when they reunited. C'mon! Spirit Squad? Really? Really? Give me a two DX Chopping break.

As far as The Miz winning "clean"...

...alright. He pinned Lawler in the middle of the ring and the ending of the match didn't have any interference, but Lawler was still hurting from Riley's bullshizzle tactics. And, uh? Yeah. He was deaf from Cole yelling in his ear. I still say those factors lead to The King being defeated. :nod:
 

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:24:

I get home, turn the TV on, and am greeted by "time to play the game".

Still, one of the best entrances in all of wrestling... and one of the few I'll still pop for.
 

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lol no I hate The Miz, I just try to pretend like what I'm watching is real, Lawler is an old man, much like the Dan Henderson's of the world the sport is moving on without him, the wrestlers are becoming more athletic and more ruthless than ever before.
 

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Miz v Cena? Yeah, aint paying fcor that!

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best promo I've seen in about a year.... and no words were spoken. :24:

Yep. Between the Rock's demonstrating what a mic is used for and Trips/Taker showing what can be done without one the last couple of weeks have been a seminar for the talent backstage.
 
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