The Case of Captive Saudi Princesses.
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Yes each culture does have its advantages...but womens rights are much further along here than in the mid east.
Our goal is to have them equal..and for the part that has been achieved.
Fact is they have several advantages over men as far as legislations are concerned
mazHur.....you're only puffing your culture by criticizing the negatives in mine.
They exist.
But I see a darkness in yours that I would never trade for. I read of the Iraqi civilian floaters in the Tigris, put there by their own countrymen. Civilians slaughtered In Syria. The intense hatred of people of differing religions.
Even during the worst of our own Civil War, civilians weren't intentional targets on either side of the conflict.
quote> "One man's meat is poison for the other,,,,,,I hope you will 'judge' things in this pretext.('under some situations"<
No, there are basic wrongs that have no excuses.
For example:
Murder and honor killings are among them.
I reject both as does my culture. But honor killings are rationalized by much of your culture.
quote>"I bet even your men would turn to Judaism or Islam."<
If you believe that, you have no understanding of culture in the US.
We intentionally divorced church from state when originally founding our nation so that our freedoms couldn't be compromised as yours have under rule by religious theocracies.
In the US, there is successful resistance to the dictatorial influences of fundamentalism.
In your culture, there isn't.
I benefit as well as women.
You, not so much
Here, you, mazHur, have to compete with them to prove you are a man Feeling a little limp, are you? Sorry
mazHur.....you're only puffing your culture by criticizing the negatives in mine.
They exist.
But I see a darkness in yours that I would never trade for. I read of the Iraqi civilian floaters in the Tigris, put there by their own countrymen. Civilians slaughtered In Syria. The intense hatred of people of differing religions.
Even during the worst of our own Civil War, civilians weren't intentional targets on either side of the conflict.
quote> "One man's meat is poison for the other,,,,,,I hope you will 'judge' things in this pretext.('under some situations"<
No, there are basic wrongs that have no excuses.
For example:
Murder and honor killings are among them.
I reject both as does my culture. But honor killings are rationalized by much of your culture.
quote>"I bet even your men would turn to Judaism or Islam."<
If you believe that, you have no understanding of culture in the US.
We intentionally divorced church from state when originally founding our nation so that our freedoms couldn't be compromised as yours have under rule by religious theocracies.
In the US, there is successful resistance to the dictatorial influences of fundamentalism.
In your culture, there isn't.
I benefit as well as women.
You, not so much
Feeling a little limp, are you? Sorry
I think you ought to re-read American, nay world history, to get to the Truth.
Lynching, guillotining, torturing, honor killing, etc, had been your societal norms at one time. Read how American President fought a duel to defend his honor..one example, I won't give more unless you read YOUR history.
Murder is a crime and it's prevalent , more or less , everywhere. Here, in my country which has been implicated in their WAR is in a state of war and as and if you know ''all may become fair in love and war''
Have been to your country, done that.
Women are not 'valued' as they should be by men...you call them 'bitch' we don't. We love them as a prince loves his princesses. This is why we can take upto 4 wives...now you can know who limps?
As regards theocracy, we don't have it. All our laws are governed by British civil and criminal laws....only a few exceptions are instituted by unanimous vote (democracy that is) by the Parliament. You have NO right to object to that...as we don't have the right to object to yours. ( we may only discuss ,,,,oh! not even that because you might have to serve 20 years time for condemning Holocaust!!)
I don't believe your mullato culture is a role model for others to follow....
neither may be ours. What seems right to you may seem wrong to others as well.
Remove State patronage from the Western folk and see how their men become lesser than women!! Even today they can't maintain a family independently and their women are obliged to earn,,,,,,not our custom. We are responsible to maintain our women without any dole from the govt,....no way you could even survive that way.
About America,,,,John Hawkins
''An Entitlement Mentality: We've gotten to the point in our society that "I earned it" basically means, "I exist; so that should be given to me" to a lot of Americans. The only thing you're entitled to is "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" and anything on top of that is cream that you have to earn, buy, or work to get.''
''The Degradation Of Manliness: Men are often shown as bumbling weaklings on TV, feminists complain if men open doors for them, and we celebrate metrosexuals and wimpiness while putting down real masculinity. Then, what do we hear over and over again from women? "Where are the real men?"
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The Majority That’s Not Being Allowed To Be Offended: We bend over so far in our society to be fair to minority groups, that we've gotten into a position where the minority regularly oppresses the majority. Eighty percent of people may want a cross somewhere and twenty percent may not care, but some belligerent atheist complains and it has to go. Barack Obama may be President, but white people still aren't supposed to criticize him because he's black. Why should white people and Christians be held to a different standard than everyone else in our entire culture just because there are more of us?
http://townhall.com/columnists/john...ngs-about-american-culture-n1636557/page/full
''An Entitlement Mentality: We've gotten to the point in our society that "I earned it" basically means, "I exist; so that should be given to me" to a lot of Americans. The only thing you're entitled to is "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" and anything on top of that is cream that you have to earn, buy, or work to get.''
''The Degradation Of Manliness: Men are often shown as bumbling weaklings on TV, feminists complain if men open doors for them, and we celebrate metrosexuals and wimpiness while putting down real masculinity. Then, what do we hear over and over again from women? "Where are the real men?"
.
The Majority That’s Not Being Allowed To Be Offended: We bend over so far in our society to be fair to minority groups, that we've gotten into a position where the minority regularly oppresses the majority. Eighty percent of people may want a cross somewhere and twenty percent may not care, but some belligerent atheist complains and it has to go. Barack Obama may be President, but white people still aren't supposed to criticize him because he's black. Why should white people and Christians be held to a different standard than everyone else in our entire culture just because there are more of us?
http://townhall.com/columnists/john...ngs-about-american-culture-n1636557/page/full
Here are a few links you may get help from.....
- Negative Aspects of American Culture. - Catholic Answers Forums
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quote>"I think you ought to re-read American, nay world history, to get to the Truth.
Lynching, guillotining, torturing, honor killing, etc, had been your societal norms at one time. Read how American President fought a duel to defend his honor..one example, I won't give more unless you read YOUR history."<
I think you need to read an American history book.
There have been horrific examples of personal conduct in the US. Just not acceptable by by culture.
And the culture I live in strives to correct those egregious misgivings and sometimes, as with Iraq, makes the mistake of being involved and suffers from it......I see that......but you often seem to deny the intolerable actions of your own culture as a means to claim a superiority that isn't earned.
And about dueling ( with guns) ?
What was your point?
It's not legal in the US.
quote>"Women are not 'valued' as they should be by men...you call them 'bitch' we don't."<
Perhaps you aren't reading the words I post and confuse me with someone else.
You, mazHur, call women 'baby factories' and property. And so does your culture.
A free woman challenges your manhood
So of course you're going to reject the concept of women's rights.
quote>"We love them as a prince loves his princesses. This is why we can take upto 4 wives...now you can know who limps."<
Admit it, free women scare you
quote>"As regards theocracy, we don't have it".<
Culturally, you do. Politically, PK balances on the verge of a republic turning into a military oligarchy that pays homage to Islam.
Your part of the world, your culture, is by and large, one giant theocracy with elements within vying for control.
quote>"You have NO right to object to that.'<
You are posting in the land of infidels, mazHur, I can object to what ever I choose
quote>"as we don't have the right to object to yours. ( we may only discuss ,,,,oh! not even that because you might have to serve 20 years time for condemning Holocaust!!) "<
You might want to rewrite that. Looks muddled.
I'm aware Holocaust 'denial' is illegal in Germany.
In the US, there are no laws against denial.
quote>"I don't believe your mullato culture is a role model for others to follow...."<
Ah...interesting. The racist in you finally comes out.
You know ( figure of speech ) I've often been credited for bringing out the worst in people.
Quite handy in a debate forum.
quote>"Remove State patronage from the Western folk and see how their men become lesser than women!! "<
What happened?
Haven't you been arguing state patronage made men weaker.
I think you lost direction in your rant.
quote>"We are responsible to maintain our women without any dole from the govt,....no way you could even survive that way"<
Survival in your arena of the world doesn't look very attractive.
As far as the treatment of women in Islam goes, here are graphic illustrations of the extremes that you claim are 'princesses' :
http://www.google.com/search?q=abused+women+in+islam&btnG=Search&hl=en&gbv=1&tbm=isch
A picture is worth a 1000 words.
The US has it's problems.
And so does Islam! And it's a farce to deny it, mazHur
I think you've forgotten......I don't deny the faults of my society.
The issue is that while much of your culture is currently in a cesspool of conflict, murder and terrorism, you claim it is of a greater morality.
As I stated earlier, you are only trying to puff your image on the faults of my culture while denying the horrors of your own.
And your argument starts with the way your culture approves of the abuse of women.
What?
Can't form a debate argument in your own words and have to rely on a google war of quote mining?
I'll say this, you're better at initiating a 'we're better than you' argument than the 'god' Naiwen........but then that wouldn't take much effort, would it.
Your flaw was ignoring the reality of women's suffering in Islamic culture.
You need a better base to build on, next time.
Your flaw was ignoring the reality of women's suffering in Islamic culture.
You need a better base to build on, next time.
If we are so bad then why do people flock here?
Fact is people with resources and a desire will leave a nation that has lack of rights for its people.
People here do not have to escape to anywhere(excluding criminals)
Our freedoms are what makes America ,America
And yes with that we have high divorce rates,whores gambling and what not......but if some man is beating his bitch you will not find cheering but rather he might get hiss ass whipped if another man sees it...or hell a bitch will jump in to save another bitchs ass...we love our bitchs here in america...see as that bitch is free to leave and find another man....or another bitch.
Thats called freedom.HR department ,,,,in the Western world,.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...stan-using-Muslim-womens-cup-drink-water.html
Horrific story.
Her crime getting a drink of water from a cup that only muslims can drink out of
Yeah....women are pretty much bottom class citizens in areas...especially non islamic women.
Maz....do you think death is a fair punishment for her?
Your country is messed up by western standards....no disrepect intended....but you guys have a long ways to go in regards to rights and equality as well.
I wonder how many have died...not knowing they committed a crime against islam at the time of the act.
Horrific story.
Her crime getting a drink of water from a cup that only muslims can drink out of
Yeah....women are pretty much bottom class citizens in areas...especially non islamic women.
Maz....do you think death is a fair punishment for her?
Your country is messed up by western standards....no disrepect intended....but you guys have a long ways to go in regards to rights and equality as well.
I wonder how many have died...not knowing they committed a crime against islam at the time of the act.
Ha!! We Asians are more clever than you...simple, misled folks!
You have no idea how poor developed countries are ....mainly due to bad leadership, pesudo- democracy, unemployment and bad economic and poor law and justice system.
The states here don't lend us anything..nothing and we have to ply our own canoe through the rough seas of life or survival. You don't, therefore you suffer from apathy and misgivings about us ...
We travel to rich countries to make money!! You pay us good...good enough for a person who lives under $1 per diem!! Our learned folk live in America to make hay while the sun shines....if they work in their own country they would never be as rich as the poorest American or European! So, who doesn't want money?? They work in your country, abide by your laws and are paid well. Why then shouldn't they live and work there? Moreover, our men freely and easily get lovely blondes to test their manhood on them!! No blonde or brownie has ever been disappointed by our men....they have big 'toys; to please them all!
And, as far as women are concerned we love and care for them, we accept all of their responsibilities and those of our offsprings. We don't indulge in lechery and extra marital sex,,,,,because we are permitted to '
'contract' marriage with upto 4 women at a time!!
( though above is normally practiced but frankly some Muslims don't abide by religious tenets and they not only commit sin but also crime against the law of land)
No, you fella's don't love your women,,,that is a blatant lie. You just use them as sex mediums to satisfy your lust...( even some of your younger women may do that)...I have witnessed that as a young man as well as in my middle ages. Even today I get proposals from white women to marry them....but I tell them I am happy in my poor country where I can still live like a 'prince'...lotsa servants, luxurious house. good business profits, lotsa time to have fun with friends,,,,,it's just like living as you wish ( but of course by the law of land). Imagine who's more freer? You or me??Me, ofcourse!
What a vivid imagination you have
I can bring the 'horse' to water but cannot make 'him' drink!!
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