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The Bible. Fact or Fiction?
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Fiction is my opinion, the whole relgion thing just seems a but improbable. its just a story book for adults, and god is just an adults imaginary friend...
Minor Axis
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Would you mind revealing your religious leanings? I think it's helpful to know were authors are coming from when they start a discussion like this.
Personally I was raised Presbyterian and now consider myself Agnostic, although I believe in a spirit, an afterlife, and an abstract force which may be referred to as "god" although it/he/she may not be a sentient single all powerful being. I tend to think the concept of "god" may be beyond our understanding.
Anyway, the Bible... is a compilation of stories put together by men over a long period of time as a pseudo history book about God. I believe a papal conference at some point decided what to put into the Bible. Things like the Book of Mary were left out. As all ready mentioned in this thread it is interesting how Christians treat the Bible today. There are some very harsh concepts in the Old Testament that are more or less ignored by modern Christians. There are some good moral rules that the Bible lays out such as the 10 commandments, but did God inscribe them on a stone tablet? Well as with most forms of modern media, it all boils down to do you believe the source? If you weren't there, then you depending on the honesty and accuracy of the source. Nothing in the Bible is provable so again, we are talking faith.
Readers might find this History of the Modern Bible link of interest.
pladecalvo
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Born and raised atheist Minor. Even so, I am fascinated by religious beliefs and why people subscribe to them.
Er, well technically I'm Christian although some "more religious" people have said I'm not, for whatever reason. I think it's because I can think for myself (ouch) and I don't follow everything the Bible says because I think some of it is outdated and downright oppressive.
However, there's some great stuff in there as well.
The Bible to me is... a reflection of the time it was written, exaggerated to be a greater story, with some good lessons but some bad ones as well. As a writer, it's hard to even beat the beginning of the Bible.
Did all the stuff that's in it happen? I don't know. It's doubtful it happened like it said, because that would be too literal. The book is so contradicting that it reflects life in that way.
However, there's some great stuff in there as well.
The Bible to me is... a reflection of the time it was written, exaggerated to be a greater story, with some good lessons but some bad ones as well. As a writer, it's hard to even beat the beginning of the Bible.
Did all the stuff that's in it happen? I don't know. It's doubtful it happened like it said, because that would be too literal. The book is so contradicting that it reflects life in that way.
pladecalvo
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Ah!! So you're not a "Real"(TM) Christian? :24:
Minor Axis
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Maybe you've all ready discussed it in this forum and I guess this thread is not the place to start it, but how can you be so sure there is no god and nothingness after physical death? That too is a matter of faith. Maybe we should post in one of the atheist threads.
There is no way I can accept the Garden of Eden in a literal manner or you can blame the first woman for messing up a good deal.
Sounds like a fantasy written by men.
I don't think the bible fits firmly in either category. I think it's mostly fiction but based on real historical events. Kinda like cinderella
Minor axis, being atheist doesn't automatically mean that you are absolutely sure there is no god (of any sort) and no afterlife. Many atheists are of that opinion but certainly not all or even the majority. Atheist, at it's simplest, means that that lack a belief in gods. Whether they believe there are none is up to the individual.
Minor axis, being atheist doesn't automatically mean that you are absolutely sure there is no god (of any sort) and no afterlife. Many atheists are of that opinion but certainly not all or even the majority. Atheist, at it's simplest, means that that lack a belief in gods. Whether they believe there are none is up to the individual.
HisHoliness
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But Cinderella had a happy ending.
Not for everyone! The good people got a happy ending and the evil people got a not so happy ending. This turned out to be a better analogy than i thought! Cinderella was just the first fairy tale that came to mind.
There is no way I can accept the Garden of Eden in a literal manner or you can blame the first woman for messing up a good deal.
Definitely. Excellent complimentary point to mine. It reflects the times that it was written, which is why I cannot follow everything the Bible has to say. That's not to say that some of the morals presented aren't good anymore.
Minor Axis
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Cinderella- that's good.
Really? Not that I've talked to bunches of atheists, but the ones I have talked to believe your physical life on Earth is all there is, and there is nothing after death. I've always thought if you believe in some kind of an afterlife, that would slide you over to the agnostic category because you are acknowledging that there is some kind of spiritual existence. It could be I'm an ignerent agnostic...
Sparkey Duck
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I once had a pop up bible, it broke though, so instead of giving stuff to Jesus one Sheppard just felt Mary's tits!
Minor Axis
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The work of the devil!
Sparkey Duck
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And thus proof of God. Yeah, I believe in God and the bible because Frankincense Sheppard felt up the mother of our lord saviour Jessi!
Cinderella- that's good.
Really? Not that I've talked to bunches of atheists, but the ones I have talked to believe your physical life on Earth is all there is, and there is nothing after death. I've always thought if you believe in some kind of an afterlife, that would slide you over to the agnostic category because you are acknowledging that there is some kind of spiritual existence. It could be I'm an ignerent agnostic...
Atheism is difficult to define accurately because there's such a wide variety of beliefs/non beliefs and no real history behind the word. Atheist means without god. That's the base definition I use. Whether or not you believe in an afterlife totally depends on your definition of it. Thervada buddhism is a atheist religion, it lacks the belief in god but does believe in a sort of afterlife. As to the definition of agnostic, i use the historical definition which simply means they hold belief that there is no proof either way. Most atheists are also agnostics in this meaning, many religious people as well actually. The popular definition of agnostic seems to be "a person who believes in something spiritual/divine but doesn't know quite what it is. That i think is what the dictionary definition is.
I'm an agnostic slightly buddhistic atheist in that I don't think there is a being but am fully aware there is no proof either way. Thervada buddhism is my favorite possibility as far as the supernatural goes. I think it's possible that our souls are all made of a mental energy that flows through a succession of lives. There's no proof and I don't believe it, but it's my favorite possibility.
I suppose that could work. The historical definition is much more specific and easy to understand
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