The Atomic Bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

[All Else Failed]

It was open warfare you jack. I think it was generous to give them a heads up we were going to blow the place to Mars before hand and give them a chance to get the flock out of dodge.

I know you live in a perfect, protected world, courtesy the U.S. military, but news flash... People die in war. Nothing fun or pretty about it. Loud. Scary. Shitty. People die.

It's the only way we have until the world is ready to be a new place.

How would you suggest we fight wars? "Oh, you attacked us for no reason... Please don't do that anymore. Oh, I see you're planning on enslaving that half of the world.... Please don't. Don't make me say it again. Don't make me say it again. I mean it. Don't make me say it again. One last warning... I'm telling you. Don't make me say it again.... etc...

Still waiting on your proof in Science BTW. Waiting on an answer in PM even.

It was also terrorism, sweety pie. Bombing innocents is terrorism. If you're fine with that, don't complain when car bombs go off, its just fair, right?

Of course people die in war, but we intentionally went OUT OF OUR WAY to kill civilians.


You seem to have it in your head that terrorism is a huge problem in the world. It actually isn't. Its pretty small when it comes to international problems. But, if you want to get down to it: You'll never get rid of terrorism. Especially when you use it yourself through the CIA and other organizations. The best way to not get involved in wars is to not have a completely stupid foreign policy, which we have always had.

 

[All Else Failed]

Is it my imagination, or is religion brought up in non-religious threads primarily by people who hate religion? :confused

You seem to bring up outlandish theories like the world being 6,000 years old, so I might as well, right? You seem to hate reason.

 

[IntruderLS1]

You seem to have it in your head that terrorism is a huge problem in the world.

When did I say that?

The best way to not get involved in wars is to not have a completely stupid foreign policy, which we have always had.

I see. What is your plan then? How should we have responded after December 7th? How would you have solved the situations surrounding the barbaric WWII?

You seem to bring up outlandish theories like the world being 6,000 years old, so I might as well, right? You seem to hate reason.

I have never once said I thought the Earth was 6000 years old. Something we talked specifically about not too long ago. You keep putting those words in my mouth, but it doesn't help your case what so ever.

You tell me I hate reason, but you refuse to speak on a purely reasonable level. You keep dragging religion into it because it's all you have. I've been trying for weeks to have a non-religion discussion with you, but you refuse.

 

[GraceAbounds]

It was open warfare you jack. I think it was generous to give them a heads up we were going to blow the place to Mars before hand and give them a chance to get the flock out of dodge.

I know you live in a perfect, protected world, courtesy the U.S. military, but news flash... People die in war. Nothing fun or pretty about it. Loud. Scary. Shitty. People die.

It's the only way we have until the world is ready to be a new place.

How would you suggest we fight wars? "Oh, you attacked us for no reason... Please don't do that anymore. Oh, I see you're planning on enslaving that half of the world.... Please don't. Don't make me say it again. Don't make me say it again. I mean it. Don't make me say it again. One last warning... I'm telling you. Don't make me say it again.... etc...

Rep'd.

 

[All Else Failed]

When did I say that?



I see. What is your plan then? How should we have responded after December 7th? How would you have solved the situations surrounding the barbaric WWII?



I have never once said I thought the Earth was 6000 years old. Something we talked specifically about not too long ago. You keep putting those words in my mouth, but it doesn't help your case what so ever.

You tell me I hate reason, but you refuse to speak on a purely reasonable level. You keep dragging religion into it because it's all you have. I've been trying for weeks to have a non-religion discussion with you, but you refuse.

I don't know how i would have done it, but I know I wouldn't fire bomb civilians.


I have been reasonable, but I've realized that these discussions go nowhere.

 

[IntruderLS1]

Didn't think so.

:muscles:

 

[All Else Failed]

looolll

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

looolll

Oh.....By the way AEF.....I owe you one

For the new title

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

If dropping the bombs meant an invasion was avoided, then yes the US was justified in using them.

:homo:

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

We didn't need to drop bombs at all, actually. They were done for, and were actually trying to negotiate with us long before the bomb. We simply dropped them to flex our muscles towards our future enemy: Russia. We could have just made a complete naval blockade of the island and waited them out.

......and send them pancakes.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Yes. I think it was justified because they didn't have Nuclear Weapons at the time. :-\

The invasion of mainland Japan would've cost thousands upon thousands of U.S. casualties, and would've hurt us in the eventual stand off with Russia.

Good point.

Strategic planning. Big picture.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Is it my imagination, or is religion brought up in non-religious threads primarily by people who hate religion? :confused

Not your imagination.

 

[All Else Failed]

One thing is for certain, at the time where the bombs were going to be dropped, Japan didn't have any fight left in her. They were in no condition to put up a decent fight. We could have easily just have waited them out.

 

[debbie t]

One thing is for certain, at the time where the bombs were going to be dropped, Japan didn't have any fight left in her. They were in no condition to put up a decent fight. We could have easily just have waited them out.

thats what i said at the beginning but it was disagreed with.it is however the view of this historically that we are taught here.

 

[All Else Failed]

thats what i said at the beginning but it was disagreed with.it is however the view of this historically that we are taught here.

They had zero resources, their spirit (no matter how much of it was trying to be kept alive by the government) was broken, and the hardly even had any weapons to fight with. We could have waited them out and managed a surrender.

 

[debbie t]

They had zero resources, their spirit (no matter how much of it was trying to be kept alive by the government) was broken, and the hardly even had any weapons to fight with. We could have waited them out and managed a surrender.

absolutley ,remember japan had no natural resources ie oil, munitions production.etc

shortly before the bombing the emperor had anounced via radio that surrender was to be iminent...however this was in an ancient dialect and the people had never heard his voice before ,he had god status.

the kamikaze were young boys ,thats how far on their knees they were? .

it seems to me after the first bomb you have proven a point and no one in their right mind is going to carry on,so why another bomb?thats particularly what i have issue with.

 

[All Else Failed]

They actually wanted to surrender months before the bombs dropped.

 

[IntruderLS1]

They had zero resources, their spirit (no matter how much of it was trying to be kept alive by the government) was broken, and the hardly even had any weapons to fight with. We could have waited them out and managed a surrender.

So your plan was to starve out the entire nation then?

Good plan dude. Very humane of you. :smiley24:

(The zero resources / ability to fight thing isn't exactly one of your more researched viewpoints)

 

[gLing]

I think the US was running out of money to fund the war by that time. A protracted blockade may not have been possible.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

So your plan was to starve out the entire nation then?

Good plan dude. Very humane of you. :smiley24:

(The zero resources / ability to fight thing isn't exactly one of your more researched viewpoints)

Low blow Intruder. :ninja