Ten Commandments

[Peter Parka]

You're wasting your time maz, he's not gonna read it. He's just gonna see your name and throw out insults...that's apparenlty all he knows.

Wow! You're now going to start slagging me off for stuff I haven't even done now. As for throwing out insults.......

 

[sexysadie]

I agree with you. That's why I'm proposing doing something about these strange people. Wait for it... here it is... stop putting crazy ideas in their heads. What do I mean? Most Americans believe in freedom of religion. So why give lip service to commands in the bible that teach intolerance? Christians should make statements like, "We encourage everyone to worship God. However, if someone chooses not to, no one should harm this person. He should be treated kindly if he treats you kindly. To do otherwise is to bring God's anger on yourself." All I am trying to do is bring the Ten Commandments in line with this thinking.

Do Christians have to do what I say? Of course not. But they shouldn't complain if some nut takes the Bible seriously when they refuse to make it clear.

I dont' understand, who's doing all of this 'harming'?..lol

 

[BornReady]

I dont' understand, who's doing all of this 'harming'?..lol

I was referring to the shooter in Maz's post. It's the few nuts like him who give good Christians a bad name. Same thing with Muslims. But their confusion is somewhat understandable when you take a close look at what they're reading in the Bible and Quran.

 

[sexysadie]

I was referring to the shooter in Maz's post. It's the few nuts like him who give good Christians a bad name. Same thing with Muslims. But their confusion is somewhat understandable when you take a close look at what they're reading in the Bible and Quran.

I'm sorry, I was under the impression that we were talking about regular every day people here....If you're gonna sit here and stereotype me because of the shooter in Maz' post then how are you any better than the nuts you're referring to? Just trying to understand what it is you're saying doll...no insult intended, as I'm sure you know.

 

[BornReady]

Not trying to stereotype you. You are one of the good Christians as most Christians are. All I'm saying is I understand where the nuts get their ideas... from your Bible. According to the Bible, the penalty for breaking one of the Ten Commandments is death. The first commandment is not to have any other God than Jehovah. So basically if you don't worship Jehovah then you should be killed. No one believes that today. But Christians leave it in the Bible. Then some nut comes along and reads it and does it.

From a young age children are taught to revere the Bible. If Christians are going to do that then they have a moral duty to make sure the book they're elevating is worthy. Yet, most Christians haven't even read the book they're telling children to revere. That's messed up.

 

[sexysadie]

Not trying to stereotype you. You are one of the good Christians as most Christians are. All I'm saying is I understand where the nuts get their ideas... from your Bible. According to the Bible, the penalty for breaking one of the Ten Commandments is death. The first commandment is not to have any other God than Jehovah. So basically if you don't worship Jehovah then you should be killed. No one believes that today. But Christians leave it in the Bible. Then some nut comes along and reads it and does it.

From a young age children are taught to revere the Bible. If Christians are going to do that then they have a moral duty to make sure the book they're elevating is worthy. Yet, most Christians haven't even read the book they're telling children to revere. That's messed up.

The penalty for breaking th ten commandments is death? Where exactly does it say that"

 

[BornReady]

The penalty for breaking the ten commandments is death? Where exactly does it say that"

Unfortunately it's all over the Bible. Here is one such passage in Deuteronomy 13.

If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. You must certainly put them to death.

This is why in my OP I showed a better way. I don't expect Christians to listen to me. After all, I'm an atheist. My hope is to get good Christians to read their own Bible and then demand it be modernized. Religious leaders will have to listen to them.

 

[sexysadie]

Unfortunately it's all over the Bible. Here is one such passage in Deuteronomy 13.



This is why in my OP I showed a better way. I don't expect Christians to listen to me. After all, I'm an atheist. My hope is to get good Christians to read their own Bible and then demand it be modernized. Religious leaders will have to listen to them.

Once again a passage from the bible is taken out of context. This commandment was given by a Holy God named Jehovah to His covenent people, Israel--the natural offspring of the children of a man named Israel (Jacob). His twelve sons became known as the Twelve Patriarchs. The descendants of these twelve men became known as the Twelve Tribes of Israel. This Nation, called Israel, was established as a Theocracy under the leadership of Moses. The men of Israel were circumcised as a sign of the covenant that they alone held with Jehovah, binding them to the 613 laws given to Moses.
Deuteronomy 13:13 applies specifically and ONLY to circumcised Jews who lived voluntarily under the Law (Torah, or the commandments of Moses). Any careful reading by anyone with basic reading skills will reveal this. See Deuteronomy 5:27 and Joshua 24:24 for examples of the Jewish Nation volunteering to serve God under His Law.

 

[BornReady]

Suppose you woke up tomorrow morning and found yourself in ancient Israel. Suppose I found myself in the same place. We met and fell in love and were married. Then one day I came to you and said let us go and worship other gods. Would you show me no mercy and have me put to death?

 

[sexysadie]

Suppose you woke up tomorrow morning and found yourself in ancient Israel. Suppose I found myself in the same place. We met and fell in love and were married. Then one day I came to you and said let us go and worship other gods. Would you show me no mercy and have me put to death?

No, of course not, but you have to consider the time period here...they lived in fear of the unknown. We, at least, have the added benefit of history....and that in itself should encourage us to dig deeper instead of using the old testiment, taken out of context, as a guide. Why do you think God sent his only Son to help us?

 

[BornReady]

I agree. I'm not really judging the ancient Hebrews. You and I and many others can see we have progressed since those times. Unfortunately there are some who are clinging to old fashion religion. Nobody is doing these people a service by giving lip service to old scriptures that don't apply to modern Christians. Christianity needs to have the courage to acknowledge some of the Bible is out-of-date and needs to be updated.

 

[sexysadie]

I agree. I'm not really judging the ancient Hebrews. You and I and many others can see we have progressed since those times. Unfortunately there are some who are clinging to old fashion religion. Nobody is doing these people a service by giving lip service to old scriptures that don't apply to modern Christians. Christianity needs to have the courage to acknowledge some of the Bible is out-of-date and needs to be updated.

Well in a way they have, through the New Testament. The New Testament also clears up a misunderstanding of the nature and use of the Law. The Temple Law is fulfilled in the person of Jesus Christ, therefore there is no need for an earthly temple or blood sacrifice in addition to that which was provided in Jesus on the Cross. I've yet to hear a Christian quote the old testament...well not since the nuns at my high school used it to threaten us with Hell and all it's wrath...lol..to be honest with you doll, I've only ever heard non believers use it as an argument as to why christians are complete hypocrites for living in a world where sinners dwell when we all know that sinners should all be put to death and the cities they live in destroyed..because it says so in their Bible....lol.

 

[BornReady]

I've yet to hear a Christian quote the old testament...well not since the nuns at my high school used it to threaten us with Hell and all it's wrath...

I would bet dollars to donuts that 90% of Christians have never even read the old testament and probably 50% haven't read the new testament. Yet Christians continue to hold this book in awe and reverence without even knowing what is in it.

to be honest with you doll, I've only ever heard non believers use it as an argument as to why christians are complete hypocrites for living in a world where sinners dwell when we all know that sinners should all be put to death and the cities they live in destroyed..because it says so in their Bible

This is another good reason to update it. Why give unbelievers such an easy target to shoot at?

Anyway, I hope you don't think I'm just Bible bashing. I'm trying to raise awareness to what I see as an inconsistency between what Christians believe and what the Bible says they believe.

 

[sexysadie]

I would bet dollars to donuts that 90% of Christians have never even read the old testament and probably 50% haven't read the new testament. Yet Christians continue to hold this book in awe and reverence without even knowing what is in it.

This is another good reason to update it. Why give unbelievers such an easy target to shoot at?

Anyway, I hope you don't think I'm just Bible bashing. I'm trying to raise awareness to what I see as an inconsistency between what Christians believe and what the Bible says they believe.

That's my point exactly, what the bible says and what most people like to think it says, are two different things.....it's a known fact that quotes and events are being constantly taken out of context where the bible is concerned, that doesn't surprise me....I've read the bible from cover to cover, old testiment AND new, twice...once as a little girl and once as an adult. I've personally picked apart portions of the bible and challenged their meaning....it's surprising just how much we can learn from a passage if we really try and understand it....and it also helps to have read the bible thoroughly as well...which is true for any book.

 

[mazHur]

Not trying to stereotype you. You are one of the good Christians as most Christians are. All I'm saying is I understand where the nuts get their ideas... from your Bible. According to the Bible, the penalty for breaking one of the Ten Commandments is death

. The first commandment is not to have any other God than Jehovah. So basically if you don't worship Jehovah then you should be killed.

What's wrong with that??? However, the killing of non-believers is ipso facto unjustified and wrong. However, it seems the 1st Commandment wants to give the deviates a chance??

No one believes that today. But Christians leave it in the Bible. Then some nut comes along and reads it and does it.

From a young age children are taught to revere the Bible.

I think that is fundamental to every religion....or learning discipline.

If Christians are going to do that then they have a moral duty to make sure the book they're elevating is worthy. Yet, most Christians haven't even read the book they're telling children to revere. That's messed up.

that's true but that doesn't mean telling children to revere the scriptures shouldn't be done. You learn from the
experiences of others, don't you? However, if elders haven't read the book themselves the younger folks may
get misguided by not reading the Bible or the Quran in whole and base their ''judgments' on random study which may be fallacious as well as dangerous!

But what about the skeptics who view all scriptures with doubt??? Where do they stand without any ''code of life''??

 

[mazHur]

That's my point exactly, what the bible says and what most people like to think it says, are two different things.....it's a known fact that quotes and events are being constantly taken out of context where the bible is concerned, that doesn't surprise me....I've read the bible from cover to cover, old testiment AND new, twice...once as a little girl and once as an adult. I've personally picked apart portions of the bible and challenged their meaning....it's surprising just how much we can learn from a passage if we really try and understand it....and it also helps to have read the bible thoroughly as well...which is true for any book.

Wow! You could probly serve me as a 'ministeress' to take benefit of your biblical learning!!

 

[BornReady]

But what about the skeptics who view all scriptures with doubt??? Where do they stand without any ''code of life''??

I'm a skeptic and I have a moral "code of life".

 

[Peter Parka]

I'm a skeptic and I have a moral "code of life".

:homo: I dont need someone there is no evidence of to tell me right from wrong, I have a brain for that.:thumbup

 

[mazHur]

I'm a skeptic and I have a moral "code of life".

In what respect is it different than a non-skeptic's code of life??

 

[mazHur]

:homo: I dont need someone there is no evidence of to tell me right from wrong, I have a brain for that.:thumbup

good, here lies the difference between humans and animals, the former have brains or intellect while the latter
purely work through instinct.