Quite ironic that arguably more people have been killed throughout history because of religion than any other reason. Far more than those killed because of political or territorial wars.
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Quite ironic that arguably more people have been killed throughout history because of religion than any other reason. Far more than those killed because of political or territorial wars.
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Lord Stanley
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i respect the OPs opinion and right to free speech, don't necessarily agree with it HOWEVER he should have know, having posted around here long enough that this would explode
points always get missed when you you light the fire on issues such as this, i have to say naivety is the one re - occurring theme i get from the start of this
points always get missed when you you light the fire on issues such as this, i have to say naivety is the one re - occurring theme i get from the start of this
Tyler Durden
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Anybody who says "this is my opinion and it's not open for change", is kinda not worth responding to
Leananshee
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Now THAT I can agree with. In keeping with the OP, talking about human nature, heroes and war, really, it's arguable that there's no war that's ever been fought that didn't have some economic motivation, even the "noble" ones (without a Depression and hyperinflation the opportunity would likely not have arisen for a Hitler, for instance, and the Palestinians and Jews in Israel today are fighting over LAND, not religion).
Religion has more often than not been historically used to give legitimacy to war and grasps for power. Let's face it, without the Romans Christianity would have largely died off, and what they made it into is a shadow of its origins in mystic Judaism. Tight rein over dogma, and torture and execution for dissenters was used to consolidate power throughout the history of the church, then religion was used to justify the Crusades (which was really more about trade) and it's arguable that the Crusades never really ended, we're still fighting them now.
Yep, if you're a person of faith, or a free thinker, don't trust religion if you value your life.
Noble sentiments about how we oughtta be oughtta die quickly in the examination of how humans really conduct themselves. But if you want to change how that is in the case of government, since you wonder how it is we are so warlike, at least vote, try to get into government, join the media and try to sway public opinion, but for the love of God don't take it out on soldiers, police and their families. I know you say you aren't, but then every so often some little barb slips out, that you'd be wise to reexamine.
tim :eek
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right then
WW1.....a war that started because of a statesmans assassination......a pointless war if there ever was one,but.....every single soldier that fought on both sides was a hero above anyone else.....they have my respect
WW2.....the nazis were running riot throughout europe,the only thing hitler wanted that he didn't have was that little island called great britain,he never got it due to the heroics of those brave souls flying fighter planes in the R.A.F.....he lost the battle of britain and couldn't invade....a big thank you to the fighter pilots.
ask the allied pilots shot down over occupied france if the french resistance were hero's,countless gladly gave they're lives to protect these pilots....real heros who deserve the utmost respect
ask any jews who didn't die by the most horrible means if the allied soldiers were heros.....yes,6'000'000 could have been many more.....are they're liberators hero's?
imagine the movie 'saving private ryan'...only a thousand times worse.....that would have been how D.Day actually was......brave young men stormed those beach's in the face of almost certain death.....hero's who deserve respect.
afghanistan.....like it or not this was very neccesary......does anyone really believe it would have ended with the world trade center?.......of course it wouldn't have,what would have been next?.....soldier field rammed full on match day?......or nukes on board planes for maximum effect?.....the possibilities are endless......the those brave boys putting themselves in the firing line in the desserts of afghanistan are most certainly hero's worthy of respect
any rememberence day in honour of a nations fallen is worthwhile........it makes people realise just how lucky they are
WW1.....a war that started because of a statesmans assassination......a pointless war if there ever was one,but.....every single soldier that fought on both sides was a hero above anyone else.....they have my respect
WW2.....the nazis were running riot throughout europe,the only thing hitler wanted that he didn't have was that little island called great britain,he never got it due to the heroics of those brave souls flying fighter planes in the R.A.F.....he lost the battle of britain and couldn't invade....a big thank you to the fighter pilots.
ask the allied pilots shot down over occupied france if the french resistance were hero's,countless gladly gave they're lives to protect these pilots....real heros who deserve the utmost respect
ask any jews who didn't die by the most horrible means if the allied soldiers were heros.....yes,6'000'000 could have been many more.....are they're liberators hero's?
imagine the movie 'saving private ryan'...only a thousand times worse.....that would have been how D.Day actually was......brave young men stormed those beach's in the face of almost certain death.....hero's who deserve respect.
afghanistan.....like it or not this was very neccesary......does anyone really believe it would have ended with the world trade center?.......of course it wouldn't have,what would have been next?.....soldier field rammed full on match day?......or nukes on board planes for maximum effect?.....the possibilities are endless......the those brave boys putting themselves in the firing line in the desserts of afghanistan are most certainly hero's worthy of respect
any rememberence day in honour of a nations fallen is worthwhile........it makes people realise just how lucky they are
Accountable
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This post gets my vote for the fucking stupidest, insensitive, and insulting post in this entire thread. If you can't understand that some things are important enough to get passionate, even angry over, then you need to go back and slap who raised you for failing to do their jobs right.
If this post upsets you, then you need to calm down. Some people just don't agree with you. Get over it.
Zubaz, for what it's worth I 'got' what you were originally trying to say. I may not agree with your opinion, but I take my hat off to you for being brave enough to put it out here and responding to the criticism in a calm, articulate and reasonable manner.
I don't mean to sound patronizing, but I'm also delighted that you are actually thinking about these issues. A lot of young men couldn't give a toss.
I don't mean to sound patronizing, but I'm also delighted that you are actually thinking about these issues. A lot of young men couldn't give a toss.
Just think of the lives and money that could have been saved had this happened.... Think of the monies that could have been generated from sales. Those dollars could then be put into Veterans programs.
But since world leaders tend to be a bunch of pussies who don't want to get their hands dirty, much less die for their 'goals', I doubt it will ever happen. But it certainly should.:nod:
hehehehehehehehehehehe...... In this corner.........
HottyToddyChick
Toes in the water...
Explain to me how you have more gratitude for a man who signed up for the draft, went because he was forced and probably complained the whole time (or one who dodged the draft, because they didn't want to di it) than you do for my FATHER who stood up and willingly sacrificed himself to defend something he believes in? This is probably the MOST ridiculous thing you have ever said, Dana.
JanieDough
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I kind of get what Zubaz is saying.
Like I don't agree with the war, so why should the people fighting it be my heroes?
And the veterans of past did fight off great enemies, but many feel that in this Iraq war/ "conflict" that there was no great enemy to fight off. Many feel that Bush made up the Weapons of Mass Destruction, and that the people who signed up to go kill or capture Saddam Hussein were misguided into performing a regime change of some one who didn't pose a real threat to our American society or safety.
Some people feel that way, and I think they can still say they support the troops in the fact that they admire their courage and think they should get whatever resources (armor, weapons, etc.) and then rewards/veterans benefits that they can get their hands on.
But soldiers are not personal heroes in the eyes of these people.
To that I say this - the soldier is not the one who decides policy. For all the soldier knows, they were going to get the people who caused all those deaths in 9/11. And for all the soldier knows they are protecting our freedom and doing the right thing in Iraq, no matter what "recent studies have shown."
To that soldier he gave up his life for us. To his knowledge he is fighting for us. And for that they do deserve an immense amount of respect even if you don't agree with the person who made the policy.
Like I don't agree with the war, so why should the people fighting it be my heroes?
And the veterans of past did fight off great enemies, but many feel that in this Iraq war/ "conflict" that there was no great enemy to fight off. Many feel that Bush made up the Weapons of Mass Destruction, and that the people who signed up to go kill or capture Saddam Hussein were misguided into performing a regime change of some one who didn't pose a real threat to our American society or safety.
Some people feel that way, and I think they can still say they support the troops in the fact that they admire their courage and think they should get whatever resources (armor, weapons, etc.) and then rewards/veterans benefits that they can get their hands on.
But soldiers are not personal heroes in the eyes of these people.
To that I say this - the soldier is not the one who decides policy. For all the soldier knows, they were going to get the people who caused all those deaths in 9/11. And for all the soldier knows they are protecting our freedom and doing the right thing in Iraq, no matter what "recent studies have shown."
To that soldier he gave up his life for us. To his knowledge he is fighting for us. And for that they do deserve an immense amount of respect even if you don't agree with the person who made the policy.
Dakota Jim
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Dana specializes in stupid statements, you have to mine mountains of shit in his posts to find a single grain of anything sensible.
JanieDough
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just wrong, i think the vets have every right to be angry. take vietnam for example, they came home from a war that fucked them up physicaly and mentally just to get spit on by the vary people they were fighting for. some of them ended up living on the streets and we just walk the fuck right by them
i know i dont make to many serious post but this thread really desturbed me
i for one am vary gratefull that those men and women served and fought for our country so we can have our freedom, that same freedom you use to sit here and piss and mone that helped give you this freedom
unfucking real
anyway, i thank ALL of you men and women that served this country of ours, if you had to serve or not, i thank you
A great way to describe how someone can indeed support our Troops but not the war...
Lord Stanley
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seeing as how it is Sunday and the Cardinals won it it high time that some people are introduced to Pat Tillman
strange as it may seem i get the impression some people need to reminding
strange as it may seem i get the impression some people need to reminding
Come on Dana, I'm still waiting. No need to bitch out now, I don't think your foot can go further down your throat. Get in here and explain to me what exactly is wrong with my marriage.
HottyToddyChick
Toes in the water...
I'm going to go out on a limb, Donnie, and say y'all got married before you deployed so that if anything were to happen to you Amber would be taken care of?
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