Sure To Offend Some: Just My Opinion

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Agree, disagree, counter me, abuse me, do whatever you want,. I don't want to debate about this thread. This is only my opinion, and I've said it here because in my real life, my family will never support such an opinion. You'll get an idea of why, if you actually take the time to read this all.



No offence meant to Dakota Jim, I saw your pictures, respect man. Now don’t get me wrong on this one, I respect anyone who stands up for a cause they believe in. However, I have a hard time accepting people who fight in wars as my hero. I also have a hard time looking back at things like World War one or two and thinking, “Thanks to all the soldiers who gave their lives for what free countries currently have.” I have a hard time feeling any sort of pride on Remembrance Day or Veterans Day, for you Americans. In all honesty, when we hold that day of remembrance, to me it’s as a big sham. We honour the soldiers who gave their lives for a cause they believed in, but we’re completely forgetting that they gave up their lives needlessly, for a stupid cause, which no one should need to fight for. All we are celebrating is a waste of humanity. After all, is there really evil and good in this world? Can you tell me that the majority of Nazi soldiers felt like they were evil and they did what they did just because being evil was the hip trend back then? They had to feel that what they were doing was in the best interest of their country, and possibly the world. Much like the allied forces felt like what Nazi soldiers were doing was wrong.

Even the two wars going on right now are beyond retarded. As the human race, we set ourselves up on this pedestal as the dominant race, but how far are we above animals? For all of our so called intelligence, we still haven’t figured out a way to sit down and talk our problems out. To end suffering, we impose suffering. How does this concept make any sense? Just look at this waste of space known as the United Nations. They tell America that it can’t invade Iraq, and when the US flips them the bird and starts it second war, where is the UN? Yes there are problems in the Middle East, but they are basing their rules off of a prehistoric book, much like every leader in the free world is. Don’t tell me they aren’t either, the Koran is a religious book much like the bible, with which every free world leader uses their platform to push down our throats, their beliefs. “God bless Canada, God bless America, and God bless England... and so on with that crap. Not that I’m against religion, you can believe in whatever you want for all I care, as long as it doesn’t cause harm to another sentient creature. I’m just against using a platform to push ideals onto people.

Back on my main point: Religion may come later as I went to church for the first time today, since leaving elementary school.

Yes there is some equality issues in the Middle East, but hell there are equality issues here too. More importantly there is senseless genocide in the several African nations. These genocides are not based on some defunct religious belief, but more on human greed. The equality issues are much worse there than anywhere else on this God forsaken planet. People are being restricted basic needs to survive, and having their global human rights denied. Innocent people are being raped, abused, needlessly murdered, and burnt alive for a cause that no one on the UN council can understand. Yet, there has not been a serious attempt to reach out to the leaders of these African nations and try to negotiate an ending to such a horrid waste of human life.

Meanwhile, people have lost their friends and family members to wars that never needed to be fought before an attempt at some sort of peace talks were made. And giving someone an ultimatum of leaving their country, when they allowed UN workers in, and no weapons of mass destruction were found, is not peace talks. That is more the way of unrelenting pressure and bullying. I myself have lost two uncles, and, four cousins to the needless wars in Afghanistan and Iraq respectively. My little sister is currently in Afghanistan, and even though she is supposed to be ending her service in 2011, she feels that with the pressure they are facing, and being undermanned, she will be dead before then. I can’t imagine what it must feel like with the mentality that you will probably die, not understanding what exactly your death is for. That counts as a total of seven family members that I alone could possibly lose by the time these pointless wars are over. Meanwhile a cause which should be dealt with is getting zero attention from the people that were put into place to deal with such an horrid issue.

The sick part, for me, is that I am currently enrolled into a program which will see me be able to serve my country in the same way many other people have. Chances are I’ll become a soldier, murdering other people simply because they felt the need to serve their country, and stand up for what they believe is right. I know I can choose not to take this program, but it gives my life a structure which I desperately need and will never be able to obtain anywhere else. I only hope that years from now, when people remember the Afghanistan and Iraq wars, and whatever wars are sure to come, they remember that while those brave men and women gave up their lived for their country, they should have had to.
 
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you opened the flood gates with this one but let me say I 25% way agree with you. I find it hard to accept todays veterans as a hero for my country. They enlist at their own accord. Back when the draft was in play alot of people didn't have this freedom and were forced to fight which I will clearly get the utmost gratitude for.
 
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Agree, disagree, counter me, abuse me, do whatever you want,. I don't want to debate about this thread. This is only my opinion, and I've said it here because in my real life, my family will never support such an opinion. You'll get an idea of why, if you actually take the time to read this all.
I can understand the mindless crap coming from you.

you opened the flood gates with this one but let me say I 25% way agree with you. I find it hard to accept todays veterans as a hero for my country. They enlist at their own accord. Back when the draft was in play alot of people didn't have this freedom and were forced to fight which I will clearly get the utmost gratitude for.
You really are a clueless.

Unfriggin believable.

What kind of dime store education did you two get anyway
 

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I can understand the mindless crap coming from you.


You really are a clueless.

Unfriggin believable.

What kind of dime store education did you two get anyway
hey now the OP is a kid so dont be to harsh onhim, hes young and nieve yet, as for Dana go ahead he knows better by his age lol
 

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you opened the flood gates with this one but let me say I 25% way agree with you. I find it hard to accept todays veterans as a hero for my country. They enlist at their own accord. Back when the draft was in play alot of people didn't have this freedom and were forced to fight which I will clearly get the utmost gratitude for.
Wow. Un-fucking-believable. You're gonna sit here and tell me that our troops right now over in harm's way, which includes several of my friends not to mention my little brother, are somehow less worthy of our country's praise and gratitude than their counterparts in previous wars? Do you actually believe the shit that you post, or do you just drool on the keyboard so much it shorts out and types crap like this? I hope to god that the next terrorist attack on American soil is the club at the Holiday Inn in Winslow Maine, maybe that would wake your ass up.
 

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I also have a hard time looking back at things like World War one or two and thinking, “Thanks to all the soldiers who gave their lives for what free countries currently have.” I have a hard time feeling any sort of pride on Remembrance Day or Veterans Day, for you Americans. In all honesty, when we hold that day of remembrance, to me it’s as a big sham. We honour the soldiers who gave their lives for a cause they believed in, but we’re completely forgetting that they gave up their lives needlessly, for a stupid cause, which no one should need to fight for. All we are celebrating is a waste of humanity
Everyone gets into conflicts, its just that countries have military power and thus they resolve their conflict with wars instead of fist fights. I'm not saying that I support war, but this is how life is, it's full of conflict so deal with it. There's no need to say that we shouldn't feel pride for the BRAVE fallen soldiers who fought for and protected their country. Everything happens for a reason.
 

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Wow. Un-fucking-believable. You're gonna sit here and tell me that our troops right now over in harm's way, which includes several of my friends not to mention my little brother, are somehow less worthy of our country's praise and gratitude than their counterparts in previous wars? Do you actually believe the shit that you post, or do you just drool on the keyboard so much it shorts out and types crap like this? I hope to god that the next terrorist attack on American soil is the club at the Holiday Inn in Winslow Maine, maybe that would wake your ass up.
I was a bit misguided in my facts before hand. I admit after doing some research; I'll admit that much aside from that I'm shutting my mouth.
 

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I was a bit misguided in my facts before hand. I admit after doing some research; I'll admit that much aside from that I'm shutting my mouth.
What facts? Your post didn't have any facts, just an ill-conceived opinion.

So...you had to do research to decide that you respect out troops? :24: :24: :24:
 

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What facts? Your post didn't have any facts, just an ill-conceived opinion.

So...you had to do research to decide that you respect out troops? :24: :24: :24:
Yeh thats it... :unsure: You're a fucking dick dude.
 

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Sorry young fella, you just lost my respect. You and your ideas do disservice to people who have willingly and unwillingly put their lives on the line so squirts like you have time to rationalize your screwy ideas into what you consider good logic. Having served and losing family to wars that were totally necessary to save innocent lives of strangers, I am offended by kids who have the freedom to play and study only to turn into video gamers and TV freaks who think they have all the answers. I have stated that the last justifiably war in my my mind was WW2 and that the wars following were ill thought out misadventures which wasted good and willing men to the carnage of war machines, but you dishonor all military men and women, hero's all in my view. If the saving of an entire people isn't good reason as it was in WW2 then I can't imagine one that is. Shove your spoiled child bullshit and grow up.
 
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Yeh thats it... :unsure: You're a fucking dick dude.
I'm a dick? You insult me, my family, my friends and every single person who's ever had the balls to put on a uniform and step into the line of fire in situations that you can't even possibly conceive of...and I'm the dick here?
 

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I'm a dick? You insult me, my family, my friends and every single person who's ever had the balls to put on a uniform and step into the line of fire in situations that you can't even possibly conceive of...and I'm the dick here?
Why do guys get mad when they're called dicks? I wouldn't be offended if I was called a vagina.
 

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Why do guys get mad when they're called dicks? I wouldn't be offended if I was called a vagina.
Believe me, I'm not mad about being called a dick. I've been called far worse by far better. What I'm mad about is that people like this exist in our society.
 

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The facts here are that every single service man and woman goes to the dangerous places and serves their Country because they feel that it's the right thing to do and want to have a sense of pride in serving their Country. Now there's absolutely nothing wrong with that. Now sometime they die, it happens. It's a negative point and certainly a risk of gonig to war, but people still do it because the positives outweigh the negatives majorly.

Now regardless of whether or not people agree with why they are there, the fact is that they are there through a sense of wanting and pride. Now sure in the older wars they didnt really have the choice but the fact still was then as it is now that they go there and serve their Country.

And for that, they have my respect. I thank you.
 

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In all honesty, when we hold that day of remembrance, to me it’s as a big sham. We honour the soldiers who gave their lives for a cause they believed in, but we’re completely forgetting that they gave up their lives needlessly, for a stupid cause, which no one should need to fight for. All we are celebrating is a waste of humanity. After all, is there really evil and good in this world? Can you tell me that the majority of Nazi soldiers felt like they were evil and they did what they did just because being evil was the hip trend back then? They had to feel that what they were doing was in the best interest of their country, and possibly the world. Much like the allied forces felt like what Nazi soldiers were doing was wrong.
I didn't read past this point because my ADD kicked in.

The very fact that you grew up in such blissful safety that you can't imagine the situation that was very real 70 years ago, is a testament to the bravery and sacrifice of our military. I hope and pray that someone will always be there ready to guard and protect your bliss. :usa:
 
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