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IntruderLS1

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heck the country is more a melting pot than it ever has been, look at your surroundings Gi Gi.
I would love for that to be true. The U.S. used to be a melting pot, but I don't think we are anymore. People used to come here and become Americans. But now we have different kinds who speak different languages, hang in different groups, wave different flags, and have different agendas and loyalties. I've heard it put that we've transformed from a melting pot to a tossed salad.

I hate that our society is letting this happen.

I'm sure the socialists here will have a problem with that, which is kind of strange when you think about it.


You would be called a racist in the US for that attitude.

I must have missed something, because if anything, I thought his comment was polar opposite of racist. :confused

As to the original question, I find that as a white, Christian, middle class, straight male I am not allowed to voice an opinion having anything to do with race. I must simply accept that I am inherently a racist who's forefathers have shamed my line for all eternity. :smiley24:
 

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yes that is exactly correct.

One speaks grammatically correct english (the kind you are "supposed" to learn in school .. basedon the phoenics system) .. the other alters that english and basically turns it into a sub language that is based on abbreviated versions of the words .. verbs/adjectives, ect.
There is no such thing. "English" is constantly changing and always has been. There's no "right" or "wrong" way to speak English. Ebonics is actually a perfectly acceptable form of it.

If you want to talk about "sub languages" your modern day, "grammatically correct english" is a incredibly bastardized form of what was spoken in the UK before. So "grammatically correct english" you speak of is a total sub-language.
 

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I would love for that to be true. The U.S. used to be a melting pot, but I don't think we are anymore. People used to come here and become Americans. But now we have different kinds who speak different languages, hang in different groups, wave different flags, and have different agendas and loyalties. I've heard it put that we've transformed from a melting pot to a tossed salad.

I hate that our society is letting this happen.

I'm sure the socialists here will have a problem with that, which is kind of strange when you think about it.




I must have missed something, because if anything, I thought his comment was polar opposite of racist. :confused

As to the original question, I find that as a white, Christian, middle class, straight male I am not allowed to voice an opinion having anything to do with race. I must simply accept that I am inherently a racist who's forefathers have shamed my line for all eternity. :smiley24:
Actually its never been that way. There's always been the same ethnic divides and groups through American history. "The great melting pot" is a fancy buzz word put into text books.


I don't see anything wrong with people practicing their cultural customs and things, and i don't even have a problem with people not thinking they are Americans. If I go to France, do I magically become French? Nope.
 

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So um...why do we have to center things? Shouldn't ALL children of ALL ethnicities learn about ALL cultures? I think thats half of the problem in the world today...everyone is so focused on why they're different....why don't we take a look at how we are all human and all have a variety of experiences, and just stop the stereotyping?! :confused:wtf::mad
 

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There is no such thing. "English" is constantly changing and always has been. There's no "right" or "wrong" way to speak English. Ebonics is actually a perfectly acceptable form of it.

If you want to talk about "sub languages" your modern day, "grammatically correct english" is a incredibly bastardized form of what was spoken in the UK before. So "grammatically correct english" you speak of is a total sub-language.
You and your bleeding heart can take up for it all you want .. but it is not a perfectly acceptable form of the american english language. Grammar has not changed much at all since they started teaching it in American school. They've been teaching the same "grammar" for over 50+ years .. and I don't forsee "ebonics" EVER being taught in school .. except by verbal practice .. because the teachers "speak" that way .. not because they are actually teaching it.

It sounds and makes the person speaking that way seem uneducated and illiterate. It's really sad to send a child to school and them come out sounding like they've never been. :smiley24:
 

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You and your bleeding heart can take up for it all you want .. but it is not a perfectly acceptable form of the american english language. Grammar has not changed much at all since they started teaching it in American school. They've been teaching the same "grammar" for over 50+ years .. and I don't forsee "ebonics" EVER being taught in school .. except by verbal practice .. because the teachers "speak" that way .. not because they are actually teaching it.

It sounds and makes the person speaking that way seem uneducated and illiterate. It's really sad to send a child to school and them come out sounding like they've never been. :smiley24:
Bleeding heart? no no, my dear, this is fact. The English language doesn't have any "real form". What exactly is "American english language"???? If anything, its a dumbed down version of what they had in the UK.

Actually, ebonics is taught in some colleges for language. Its seen as a totally acceptable way to communicate since its unique to a certain ethnic group, just like you have different slang and accents and words in different areas of the US.
 

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Thing is .. black people haven't always used "ebonics" .. they came about because someone started talking that way and the rest thought it sounded "cool" and different to talk that way. It sounds about as "right" as the way uneducated hillbillies/rednecks talk. Maybe they should start teaching that in college too :24: .. make about as much sense.

I've asked all my older relatives if any of them talked that way when they were growing up .. and they said, "no they did not".

If they are teaching it at schools .. it's so the rest of us can understand what the girl/guy at the drive thru is actually saying.

I stopped at McDonalds this morning and had to ask 5 times for her to repeat what she said .. because I couldn't make out what the girl was saying to me. It was ridiculous.
 

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I know .. and it sounds the same coming out of who ever chooses to use it's mouth .. idiotic.

The black "culture" just chooses to emphisize it more than anyone else .. look at most of their "music". I'd venture to say 85% of it uses ebonics in their lyrics.
 

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I know .. and it sounds the same coming out of who ever chooses to use it's mouth .. idiotic.

The black "culture" just chooses to emphisize it more than anyone else .. look at most of their "music". I'd venture to say 85% of it uses ebonics in their lyrics.
I wouldn't judge their entire culture on their young people of today. They have a very rich history of music, art, poetics, song, folklore, dance, style and so on.

Ebonics is entirely fine as long as you use it in the proper scenario.


Are you against all slang?
 

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When using it in normal everyday situations .. like the drive-thru at McDonalds or while teaching a class .. yes I do think it is inappropriate.

If you are hanging out with your friends and want to talk that way .. be my guest .. but I don't think I should have to try and decifer what my teacher is saying while trying to take notes.
 

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yes that is exactly correct.

One speaks grammatically correct english (the kind you are "supposed" to learn in school .. basedon the phoenics system) .. the other alters that english and basically turns it into a sub language that is based on abbreviated versions of the words .. verbs/adjectives, ect.
There IS no 'correct' English, linguistically speaking.

All languages develop and evolve over time. Even the Queen's English is a different kind of English than the one spoken 400 years ago.

Therefore, an African American variation is as valid as any other. Although, granted, it could be a bit hard to understand for people who speak other strains, and I guess vice versa applies.

AEF makes these points better than me though... lol.
 

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So Toronto school board voted in favour of a Afro-centric school to be opened in 2009.

What are your views on this? Doesn't have to be Afro-centric- could be of any ethnicity. Would you send your kids to a school segregated only for your ethnic group (Or yourself attend one?)?

Personally, I thought we were passed that era when we believed in segregation.

Apparently not.

Wow...

Usually when i try to walk forward I don't take steps backward, retarded idea right there.
 

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So, what exactly do you think they are teaching us in our GRAMMAR classes we take every year of school and 3 times in college?

Every language has it's grammar .. and ebonics is the slang-ized version of "american" english.

Grammar - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Well, I'm not sure about America, but we stop taking grammar classes some time in primary school/ early high school, from what I'm aware.

I believe it is important to learn your language the way you would another language... and that means learning basic structure, and basic phrase rules. Of course, it helps to have perfect 'grammar' if you are writing a university essay, for example, to get your point across, but when it comes to speech (not including formal speeches, like by a politician), I don't think it should really matter as long as people understand each other.
 
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